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now bodog - Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:07 AM
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the u.s. gov just went after bodog

4 arrests they are going after and closed their site...hiccup
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:51 AM
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http://business.financialpost.com/20...dicted-in-u-s/


This is the link to the story. I'm thinking this just another step in the US attack on online gaming. They hit the big fishes, now its the smaller ones.

BTW, anyone know what the status of the case involving PokerStars? Last bit of public news I can remember is an amendment to the indicment calling Full Tilt a ponzi scheme.
 
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re post - Wed Feb 29, 2012, 09:59 AM
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it doesnt really matter who they go after, if everything is legitimate and above board ,quite simply none of the people involved have anything to worry about
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Forgot to say this in the first post, but the charges are related to sports betting. There is nothing regarding poker mentioned in the article. This might not even be related to the case that caused Black Friday.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 02:43 PM
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.....delete please..dup. post

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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 03:11 PM
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They have been after Bodog for years due to the online sports betting,
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 03:14 PM
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Was it completely shut down, or was it just switched to Bovada?
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:14 PM
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Was it completely shut down, or was it just switched to Bovada?

Bovada split off from Bodog and is being run by the Morris Mohawk Gaming Group,who operate out of Quebec. And for the rest of the companies dealing they established Bodog.eu in May I believe it was. Calvin Ayre WILL continue to operate and good luck to the US Government getting extradition on him to ever face these charges here. Maybe they can try him in absentia like they did Manuel Noriega. Asshats.

This grand jury was from Maryland and everyone has been waiting for this indictment for years,far proceeding Black Friday (the sports wagering angle of it makes it a story I have followed for the duration...). Going back as far as 2003 the IRS has been angling to get Calvin Ayre and in 2008 they seized monies from 3 payment processors here in the states that serviced their US customers.

I'm actually liking that this case has finally been filed because if they is any one person in the world of online gaming and sports wagering who is the most likely to tell the US Government to stick it up their collective asses and fight them it's Calvin Ayre. And I truly believe that the Feds are scared of a fight and just want capitulation.

Empty suits being empty suits.

Go Calvin,go.

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Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cairn Destop View Post
http://business.financialpost.com/20...dicted-in-u-s/


This is the link to the story. I'm thinking this just another step in the US attack on online gaming. They hit the big fishes, now its the smaller ones.

BTW, anyone know what the status of the case involving PokerStars? Last bit of public news I can remember is an amendment to the indicment calling Full Tilt a ponzi scheme.

Poker wise Bodog wasn't one of the bigger players maybe Cairn,not really sure on that. But in sports wagering they were taking in more at their peak than Stars and Tilt made on poker combined. They were far from a smaller fish.

As to the disposition of the Black Friday charges the last truly pertinent thing I've seen from our wonderful government on that was the opinion of some in the DOJ that they may very well walk the charges back to cover online sports wagering only.

I've always been of the opinion that online sports wagering WOULD be the last domino to fall before our pinheads in DC finally just give up the ghost on this idiocy and get on board with online wagering.

It's going to be hilarious to watch them try to defend allowing states and consolidations of several states sell lottery tickets online (which there is a big clamor for...) and simultaneously say that any other wagering online is forbidden. This won't be like lotteries good--bookies bad as it is now for physical transacting as no bookie is likely to go to court to challenge the government on this. Already established wagering sites can and most likely WILL see the profit potential as being great enough to challenge such hypocrisy and idiocy in court and have the financial wherewithal to do so.

Were it to even come to that. I still say none of this ever goes to court and the government itself clears the way for us to be online and regulated (and taxed of course...players and more importantly the sites) as soon as the pieces line up (right palms greased,right favors owed,right wives/mistresses swapped...I put nothing past our charlatans in charge...).

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Thu Mar 01, 2012, 11:06 AM
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It's funny because bodog.com was already shut down by Bodog voluntarily from what I understand. So the government is going after them for what they used to offer, not what they currently offer. Bodog.ca is not affected in the least by this.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Merge network is got to be worried at this point, I'm sure they are next on the DOJ's list.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012, 05:13 PM
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wish I still had the link, but, New Jersey was working on a deal with bovada to serve customers in NJ.

here, I found it
http://www.tightpoker.com/news/bodog...-players-3079/


hope I don't get banned for this 1...
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012, 05:15 PM
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the internet can be a wonderful place...lol
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012, 07:17 PM
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The article is dated December 2011. Talk about old news. Not really a complaint against you, Stakehorse. Just a general comment that nothing has been released since September about this case.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012, 07:43 PM
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No,Cairn. What eff posted to start the article about the US government going after BoDog was LAST week. The charges were filed then. Was a front page story above the fold in my local paper as a matter of fact (The Baltimore Sun).
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2012, 10:15 AM
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The state of Maryland is really starting to piss me off. What made them the world's online gambling police? The part that is so frustrating is how much the lawmakers love gambling. Putting up tons of slots and you can go to gamble in literally every other building in this state. Any 7/11, any Wawa, any bar, and restaurant with a bar. Funny how they stick their gambling machines next to bars.... yeah that is ethical. You can go to your local bar here and drop $3000 in one night on Keno. I barback three nights a week and I saw it happen. Guy lost around $1700 when he was all done. No doubt the man could afford to lose the money, but something is wrong with the picture here. You can go to a bar, get tipsy and decide to drop thousands of dollars on Keno or Racetrax ( they went out of their way to virtually recreate horse racing for people to gamble on).... but you can't sit down at a poker game anywhere in the state.

I guess the logical conclusion is that the state loves making money on Keno/lottery that they don't want to face outside competition. If that were the case though, why in the world would you not allow poker??!?! We have to go out of state or play online those are the only options.

There is some hope for poker here atleast, it is widely believed that table games and poker will be added to the new slots casinos popping up in Maryland within a year or two.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2012, 05:50 PM
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Meh,keep in mind Rocker the BoDog thing sprang out of the IRS and federal prosecutors looking to make the case. Case being filed in Maryland is more a Maryland's proximity to DC thing more than anything else. And yes that proximity does get us quite the number of overzealous clowns in all walks of public "service" from both sides of the aisle looking to be noticed by the muckety mucks down the road.

Added bonus is that if DC is ever nuked the prevailing winds say we have an 85% chance of getting the fallout. So we have that going for us to.
 

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