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90 man 0.5$ turbo | CO steal 9BB - Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:28 AM
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is it ok? or what is my range here?


Poker Stars $0.45+$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 7 players - View hand 1680329
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MP: t2040 M = 2.15
Hero (CO): t3515 M = 3.70
BTN: t4270 M = 4.49
SB: t11195 M = 11.78
BB: t3345 M = 3.52
UTG: t9480 M = 9.98
UTG+1: t13700 M = 14.42

Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is CO with 9 8
3 folds, Hero raises to t3465 all in, BTN raises to t4220 all in, 2 folds

Flop: (t7880) A 2 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t7880) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7880) K (2 players - 2 are all in)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 03:06 AM
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Your range is dependent on the ranges of the people behind you. If this is not the final table, then this shove is unexploitable, which means you should always make it. If this is the final table and the people behind you are somewhat tight, I would still shove this. If this is the final table and the people behind you are loose, then I would fold this. There are two people at the table who could easily bust over the next orbit, so you don't need to be in a hurry to shove.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:35 AM
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HI CZDonkey!

Two questions for you. Is this the final table? What is your standard raise for this level?

If it's not the final table, I'd only want to be stealing here if the table was playing very tight and those behind me to act were folding the majority of the time to steals. If the opps were more likely to call, I'd want to have a hand with better playablility to be stealing with, as a back-up plan.

If it is the final table, then everyone is ITM and players are going to be shoving/calling light, due to wanting to chip-up to get into the top 3 and then win.

This is where my second question would come into play. If my std open (which for me at this level is a 1k bet) is much less than a shove and I was not shoving very often.... then I'm going to make the same std raise as a steal. If I was constatntly making 1k bets and then all of a sudden shoved, then this shove will be and look out of character... setting off alarms for the opp and having them call me lighter than normal.
I wouldn't want this to happen, as having an opp call me down light is not what I want to have happen since 89s is about a 2-1 underdog against even a top 27% hand.

If this is the final table and I'm making a steal with 89s, I'm going to make my std open (the same that I would make with a monster or a steal)... so that the opp doesn't know what cards I'm playing.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:51 AM
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i think any bet that you want to make that is over 25% 1/4 of your stack is a shove.
Hi I'mJigJig!

The committment point that is typically used, is 1/3 of a player's stack, so over 33% is where I try to open-shove.

Hope this helps.

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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
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dunno ... raise folding with 9BB . they call you and if you miss you cant even cbet. its 0.50$ game


20 players left in this hand, std is miniraise.


I'm going to make my std open (the same that I would make with a monster or a steal)... so that the opp doesn't know what cards I'm playing.

i am using this but with 12-15BB


edit:
Hero (CO): t3515 M = 3.70
BTN: t4270 M = 4.49

pot is: 400+800+350(ante) + 1000 my raise =2550
he shoves 3515 (ef. stack)

now is pot 6065 and i have to call 2515 = about 30%
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.795% 70.13% 00.67% 123564730768 1172553054.00 { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 29.205% 28.54% 00.67% 50286244724 1172553054.00 { random }

never folding

Last edited by CZDonkey; Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM..
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:16 PM
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With 20 players left, pays top 12, you're probably sitting in 16th place
With those 2 cards, it's a 50/50 against any 2 random cards
If the player plays top 40%, he's a 60% favorite
Even the big stack still has a say and he would normally call you


So what ever you do, his play is to call ATC, even if you make a standard raise
So to me, this is a preflop fold
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap777 View Post
With 20 players left, pays top 12, you're probably sitting in 16th place
With those 2 cards, it's a 50/50 against any 2 random cards
If the player plays top 40%, he's a 60% favorite
Even the big stack still has a say and he would normally call you


So what ever you do, his play is to call ATC, even if you make a standard raise
So to me, this is a preflop fold
omg NIT! just kidding what is your range ? pairs,aces,brodway cards?
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CZDonkey View Post
omg NIT! just kidding what is your range ? pairs,aces,brodway cards?
Really??? LOL
Let see you play the way you do at higher level than we'll see
At the level you play, sure LAG is good
I know that I'm a NIT (more like TAG), it's better than being a DONKEY or a FISH....lol (not saying you are)

 

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