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$3.50 45-Man: AT in SB vs. 3Bet from BB; Spot Confuses Me and Makes Me Hate the World

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$3.50 45-Man: AT in SB vs. 3Bet from BB; Spot Confuses Me and Makes Me Hate the World - Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:04 AM
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Villain runs 20/15 over 25 hands. I used to 4bet this spot to death, but I felt I was losing more when I ran into bigger hands than I was winning when I got folds, and I was never getting worse hands to call. Flatting seems like a beginner's mistake because I'm ceding initiative OOP in a large pot I'll be more comfortable committing to on the flop maybe 20% of the time (meaning I'm planning to just check/fold 80% of flops). ATo seems like the nuts HU though... These spots make me hate life.

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Preflop: Panicky is SB with A, 10
6 folds, Panicky bets t90, BB raises to t270, ???
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:42 AM
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Ouch, I hate when that happens!

So early in the tourney, and so few hands on the villain, I'm folding in this spot but making a mental note. If he is aggressively protecting his big blind, perhaps we can abuse this later in the tourney by getting him to shove on us when we have a solid starting hand.

In these SnGs, this problem doesn't last long because the blinds put us into push/fold range quickly enough. In the large field mtts though, I struggle with these spots pretty much every tourney.

Curious how the others handle this one!

Roland GTX

PS: This is a bread and butter move when it is us in the bb facing a steal raise. You can punish multitabling regulars all day by shoving on their btn/sb steals! Just don't do it to me

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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:34 AM
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So early in the tourney, and so few hands on the villain, I'm folding in this spot but making a mental note. If he is aggressively protecting his big blind, perhaps we can abuse this later in the tourney by getting him to shove on us when we have a solid starting hand.

Roland GTX
Hi Panicky!

I think Roland is right on target here.
Since it's very early with no history of the opp's plays, I'm going to muck here, but instead of making a mental note... it's going into the notebox on the player (if they change their play style, then I can easily delete it).
I'll muck a hand early in a tourney like this OOP and if the opp wants to keep raising in their BB, I'll gladly take full advantage of this once the blinds go up and the pot is worth more to me (or if I get a premium hand to stack them with). Give a little now, to get it back plus interest from them later in the tourney.

Of course, if they play tight the whole way and aren't aggressive in their BB much after this, then most likely, I avoided their monster hand.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:51 AM
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Panicky,

Preflop you have a 63% vs any random hand, so the 3BB raise is good
But now I'm missing info on the player
This is your 3rd hand in SB, what happen the other 2?
Is he always protecting his BB?

If I have so little info, I FOLD
And it ain't my mate that told me so....LOL

PS. I'll do that some time in BB, you provoke me twice, I'll re-raise you with nothing
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:06 PM
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Cool. Fold it is, I guess. First few orbits I probably folded to an open raise.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:28 PM
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@ sandtrap ha, you are really something. Lmao
My point to panicky was the point of view from a pro, that would be to fold, and it didn't involve you. Stop your dribble sandtrap777.
What you'r talking about Willis?
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:51 PM
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"Who's willis?"

Exactly my point that my comments didnt involve you. So keep your sideline remarks and personal attacks to your self. Stop proving to everyone you are a #$%^. After all you probably only fold cause you heard it from every other poster and decided to get of the fence. lol. i believe you cannot ever think for your self unless it is to run someone down. So jokes on you.

Really Willis, LOL...LOL....LOL
 

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