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25NL Full-Ring flopped boat - Tue Apr 03, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Hi PSO,

Like to discuss this hand, where somehow my mind-replayer started to choke
At least I know played it not as should.

Oke, I tell my thinkings during the hand and then after review of the hand, hope u can give me some humble opinions. Don't shoot, i did already

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I did not played against my opponent before, and I have seen about 25 hands roughly at the table.
During that short time I had not much stats VPIP:18,PFR:14 post aggr: 14, cbet flop a lot.

I was not sure about his min raise, slowroll big starting hands? don't think so at that time.
Flat call my BB I think was not that bad, so I could see the action on the flop and decide then.
Wow.... I hit a big boat. Now I was thinking slowplay, slowplay, if I bet I lose action and because I could expect a c-bet I think checking was fine too.

Turn play I missed totally in my mind-replayer at the river decision, back on that later. Still I decided to check the turn and he checked also. I was still thinking if I bet the hand is over, the turn was not a card we both can use. That T on the river did not scare me at first, I bet for value and got min raised. Whoops why it was now a scare card? I really don't know.

At that time I was thinking a lot about AT, not sure why and could not get the action into a raise, which I should do actually. I was never thinking about folding my hand, but calling was sure not an option. The turn, I won’t think he would check back with any Ax and the one hand which could beat me was AT.

At least I did get some value but it was more due to my opponent his raise. And a good hand to discuss, I tend to miss some value due to not play that aggressively postflop.

Ferdy
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 02:14 PM
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i think you played the hand fine except for the river. i think you were right to just call his flop bet because u have no way of knowing if he was an ace or not, which is the only thing that's gonna call a raise. the turn is a blank, so a check here was also fine. i think ur bet on the river is also fine--u bet 1.25 into a 2.50 pot, exactly 50% of the pot. however, it's the kind of bet that's gonna prevent ur opponent from trying to make a big bluff on the end, if he is at all capable of doing that. it's the kind of bet that some people might try to make a crying call with just a 9 or 10, so it's good if they hold that kind of hand because ur getting the most out of them with ur bet (since they're never going to raise or make a big bet themselves if u were to check or bet smaller, but they might fold if u bet much bigger). it just so happens the guy rivered a flush and is probably minraising whatever u throw out there. pretty weak play from his part imo, but it does seem to be a play i see a lot with players who don't know how to evaluate the value of their or their opponent's hands. anyway, the guy minraises. the only thing that beats u is AT, so i think a raise is in order. i think we need to raise it between 6 and 7 dollars (thats the total, so a 2.50-3.50 raise on top of the 2.25 it takes to call). the second nuts is a pretty strong hand, and before i saw the result i felt like ur opponent was just trying to represent the flush--i didn't think he actually had it. and i combined this with the .70 bet he made on the flop that again just seemed like he was trying to win the pot right there, even though he was value-betting the 9. even though i didn't think the guy had anything, i never like to minraise, which would be 2.25 in this spot.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 02:20 PM
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Hi Ferdy,

The big problem with this hand is actually the slow playing imo. Sometimes slow playing is correct but usually it only serves to cost you money. It's a single raised pot and you'd like to build a big final pot, so the way to grow the pot is to bet and raise (actions that keep it small are checking and calling). Since the villain c-bets with a high frequency checking to them is fine, but I would make a smallish check-raise here. We will get called at least once by pocket pairs that hope we have a flush draw or are just making a move, and we are giving AK/AQ a chance to raise again and grow the pot so we can facilitate getting stacks in vs those strong trip holdings.

I agree with you, as played we basically have the nuts on the river since I can not see the villain ever checking back the turn with AT. So a river 3b is definitely in order. The hand range the villain would check back the turn and now raise the river with is mostly flushes and TT, and perhaps a turned full house that he himself slowplayed (and maybe the occasional bluff). I would make a large 3b, even all in is ok... zeebos theorem applies to TT (he's not folding a full house) and I think we'll often get paid off by a flush as well. Basically his range is polarized to very strong 2nd best hands and maybe a few bluffs, when ever our opponent has a very strong hand and we have an even stronger one, we should favor large bets or raises, even large overbets are ok.

Hope this helps,
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 02:25 PM
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i think you played the hand fine except for the river. i think you were right to just call his flop bet because u have no way of knowing if he was an ace or not, which is the only thing that's gonna call a raise.
I think we are getting called by TT-KK a ton of the time on the flop, and if we fail to raise we don't give big aces an opportunity to put more money in.


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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 02:46 PM
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I think we are getting called by TT-KK a ton of the time on the flop, and if we fail to raise we don't give big aces an opportunity to put more money in.
wouldn't TT-KK raise preflop though?
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 03:21 PM
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wouldn't TT-KK raise preflop though?
The villain did raise preflop.


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Thu Apr 05, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Thanks Guys,

I for real never forget this hand Have not showed u all! As always I did not uploaded the hand with real names. But here it is:

and if u are thinking...... it's no joke

 

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