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Question about Start Hand Chart - Tue Apr 03, 2012, 04:22 PM
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Hi,
I have a question about the Start Hand Chart that is on the Limit Hold'em tutorial. Every position is divided into Pot unraised and Pot raised. I don't understand the Re-Raise in the Pot Unraised column. How can you re-raise when the pot is unraised?
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 04:32 PM
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Hi monkeyking10!

Welcome to the forum. Here's a link that you'll want to take a look at to get more familiar with PSO.

The reason for it on the chart is that with these hands, you want to max out the pot if possible. The first raise is not a re-raise, but you will want to keep raising with these hands preflop (and not raise just once, as a player would want to do with a single R on the chart).

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 05:11 PM
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Hi JWK24,

Thank you for your quick reply. I've just recently done the basic- and the core course. And I got stuck at the start hand chart for fixed limit.

Please tell me if I have understood it correctly:
R(Raise): You simply raise. If the pot was raised before you, it will be 2 raises totally.

RR(Re-raise): You raise, and if someone after you raise again, then you raise one more time? So you aim to raise 2 times?

If there was a raise before you(Pot raised column), then you raise, and someone after you raise again and all others call until it's your turn, do you raise the second time here? In this case it will be 4 raises totally?
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012, 07:38 PM
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(preflop) the big blind is a forced bet. if you open, (raise) (not call) that is a raise. if someone raises your raise, it's a reraise (or a 3 bet) if that raise is raised, it's a re- reraise, (or a 4 bet) next is 5 bet and so on.....
after the flop if you bet, its just a bet. if that bet is raised, it's just a raise. if you raise his raise, it's a reraise


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Wed Apr 04, 2012, 12:44 AM
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Thank you for your reply mtnestegg,

I understand the things you say, but what confuses me is this:
For eg the starting hand chart says:
Middle position, pot unraised:RR(re-raise).
Since it's unraised(everybody called) until me, I can only raise. If somebody after me re-raise, does that mean that RR is fulfilled(and I should call this re-raise)? Or does RR mean that I should raise 2 times(which means I should re-raise again)?

My confusion here is that I don't know if RR means 2 times raise on the table for everybody or I should raise 2 times.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2012, 02:12 AM
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Hi monkeyking!

RR - raise every chance that you get. If you're the initial raiser and someone else raises, then when it gets back to you, keep raising as many times as you can.

R - raise the pot 1 time.

Hope this helps.

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Wed Apr 04, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Totally clear.
Thank you very much.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnestegg View Post
(preflop) the big blind is a forced bet. if you open, (raise) (not call) that is a raise. if someone raises your raise, it's a reraise (or a 3 bet) if that raise is raised, it's a re- reraise, (or a 4 bet) next is 5 bet and so on.....
JKW24 has it right - RR means raise whenever and as often as you can.
Just to note - you are talking about Fixed Limit, which means there can ONLY BE 3 RAISES per betting round. If the betting goes - Raise, Raise, Raise, that is all money that can be bet on that round. The third Raise is often referred to as "Capping" the betting.

Good Luck on the tables.

Herk
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012, 04:21 PM
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Thanks Herk
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012, 05:15 PM
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The chart is not a bible of poker, you need to adjust your starting hands to those in the pot and those to act after you. It's a good grounding however but always be aware who acts (before and) after you.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012, 05:56 PM
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ya... my appologies monk, my head was kinda stuck in NL forgot this was the limit section


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Sun Apr 08, 2012, 03:29 AM
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Thanks, I will take that into consideration when get more experienced. For now I'm just learning at play money table and it will have to be my bible for now . I feel that the hardest thing as a beginner is time. I plan to practise one thing at a time.
1. Follow the starting hand chart.
2. Calculate outs.
3. Calculate odds.
4. Calculate Pot odds and compare with winning odds.

However that is much more difficult in reality than in theory, because of the time. I'm not even fast enough to calculate the outs . All the play money tables I try are fast tables, how can you find the regular tables?
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:08 PM
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Starting hands chart is just a reference for beginning players it isnt the be all and end all of poker, once you start playing you will be able to mix it up more and get more creative when you know when to pick spots.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
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I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.
 

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