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NL25 3-bet pot with QQ postflop play - Tue Apr 03, 2012, 06:31 PM
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BB: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
BTN: $65.14 (260.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $40.28 (161.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:diamond: Q:heart:
MP folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.75, BB folds, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) A:club: A:diamond: T:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.74, CO calls $2.74

Turn: ($11.23) 9:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $5.36, CO calls $5.36

River: ($21.95) 2:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $13.80

Villain's stats: VPIP:28 PFR:18 AF:1.7 H:190

I guess the flop and the turn bet is good here. But what about the river bet? Can I bet for value? He seems a loose passive guy, so I assumed that if he has a very strong hand then he would raise me. And I took out KK of his range, because he would 4-bet with it preflop.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
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generally I would shut down after a C-bet out of position. perhaps not even bet a flop like that, you indicate that he is loose and passive he might give you a free card, and what card do loose players like to play most? correct: the Ace of spades

altho his stats indicate a more TAGish player.
his range has so many AQ´s and AK´s and the rest he´ll fold to a c-bet anyway

if you bet ask yourself the next question?
what is his range of hands he can call a 3bet with?
AK AQ JJ TT perhaps AJs smaller pairs, maybe suited connectors (if a person is likely to overplay big pairs and is deep stacked)
I think he´ll 4bet KK and AA.

what of these hands will call me that I beat? (valuebet)
none, unlikely to a TAGish villain that he´ll peel with JJ

what of these hands are better and fold to a (c)bet? (bluff)
perhaps KK

conclusion:

there is no reason to bet the flop nor turn and specially not the river.

Last edited by Sjekkkk; Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 01:48 AM..
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2012, 06:56 AM
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Hi Nocco88!

Pre flop your 3bet is fine.

QQ is not only going to play pretty well versus the villain's likely raise range, but even if the villain calls a 3bet, QQ should have pretty solid equity versus the stats you show.

This flop can be pretty dicey for you though...

I am going to C-Bet this flop a lot, if only because the paired ace makes it a bit less likely the villain has one. Since you read him as loose/passive (although I'm not certain I'd agree with that at a 6 max table with these stats), there is a chance he might call you on something like KT.

If he fades my C Bet though, I am really not in favor of betting the turn all that often.

First, doing so for a standard amount leaves a single pot size bet in the opponent's stack. While you can easily fold if he JAMS over a turn bet by you (because he is passive, and passive players won't jam without a monster), if he CALLS a standard turn bet you cannot really do anything but check/fold the river. I say this because a call does not leave him enough of a stack to ever consider a bluff as working if you hold an Ace (and passive players don't think in terms of bluffing anyway), so even a tiny bet by him would have to make you fold after adding 2 streets of value for the villain.

Next, as you read the opponent as passive, there is not a great chance he is floating you here. This means if he is over valuing a T against you, he is far more likely to check back. In that case if he does check back the turn), you'd have some "room" to bet/fold the river if he jams after playing his ace "tricky", and your turn check could get you river calls by Ts a bit more often as well.

As played though, I cannot really see any reason to bet the river, as your opponent is never folding an Ace here and he is probably going to have to accept a T is no good if you fire 3 barrels.

Hope it helps.

-JDean


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Last edited by JDean; Wed Apr 04, 2012 at 07:00 AM..
 

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