

Hi not sure where to put this but I want to work out how much rake is charged in each tournament as a percentage.
Is my maths correct? $1.50 STT charge 21 cents rake so (21/ 1.29) * 100 gives me 16.2%. I'm looking to create a quick glance table for working out VPP's etc. and I want to add the percentage to the table. 




They're usually around 10%. Sunday Million, under ($15 for $200 in prize pool), Storm exact ($1 for $10), etc. Ones I play (45ers), 23 cents in pool, two rake, so just under.
So it looks like $1.50 ST sngs are raked a bit more, yes. But the $3.50 STs, $3.30 in pool, .20 in rake, way less than 10%, so go figure :) 




It's closer to 16.3%
That's horrendous. Note to self. NEVER play one of these. 




My maths is correct (got it confirmed on another forum)
$1.50 regular is 16.2% $1.50 turbo is 13.6% $3.50 regular is 11.8% $3.50 turbo is 9.7% $7.00 regular is 9.5% $7.00 turbo is 8% $15 regular is 8.7% $15 turbo is 7.7% $30regular is 8.7% $30 turbo is 7.7% $60 turbo is 7.7% $100 turbo is 7.2% I'm not knocking 16% because many other sites are charging 20% for micro stakes but it does show how hard rake eats into your profits at micro stakes. If you know your overall ROI in a decent sample it may be more beneficial moving up a level where the standard might be a little higher but it might be offset by lower rake. 




It's $0.21 on $1.50 (not $1.29), therefore 14%
They take .21 on the 1.50 Personally, I don't care about the rake, it's the bottom line that counts, PROFIT I don't play those, but maybe I should Most good players might not touch those high rake games, therefore leaving the games to the fishes and donkeys. So why not take advantage of it? P.S. There's a HUGE rake on cigarettes, but people still smoke P.P.S. I just saw your numbers Ovalman, you'll need to change them, still, it's very revealing 




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The regular format $3.50 SNG STT 9 MAN game that compares to the same type $1.50 game has a 39cent rake. The rake % for the $3.50 game is around 12.5% compared to its sister game of $1.50, which is 16.3%. The rake is still much cheaper than a 'live' rake. I recently played a MTT (83 entries) Turbo in Atlantic City that was $150 + $30. The rake 'live' was 20% compared to the $60 buyin MTT 45 MAN Turbo and 180 MAN Turbo 'online', which are only 8.6%; online games also save on expenses. Even though the average online player is getting better, if you can hold you own against a given buyin level, the rake isn't bad; as an added bonus, the rakeback online is better than the comps at a casino. . "May the cards be with you!"





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Way I see it, rake on the entry fee still beats the pumpkins out of rake on every single hand you see a flop on. Last cash ring game I played, I got so pissed off with splitting the pot four hands in a row... well, four pots in a row I got involved with, you know, rake makes more than you do and you haven't even lost it, I gave up on them :)





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The rake is also lower on the 45+ man SNGs as you are not contributing to the battle of the planets prize pool.





I only gave stats for the 6 man Limit STT's I play, I didn't check any other games.





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Dman,it's 14%. .21/1.50 = 0.14 You take the .21 from the wholethe $1.50,not from the remainderthe $1.29,as you must be doing to arrive at 16.3%. If you were to calculate what percentage 3 is of 10,for instance would you divide 3 by 10 thus arriving at 30%,the correct answer or subtract 3 from 10 and then divide it by the remainder,7,thus arriving at roughly 43%,most definitely the incorrect answer. That's the same formula you and oval are using to arrive at .21 being 16% and change of $1.50. Hope that helps. 




Sand, Mox. You know I luv you guys. But before you carry on you really should forget about poker and concentrate on a bit of basic math.
The game fee is $1.50. $1.29 goes in the pot, 21c is the rake. Divide the 21c by 1% of what goes in the pot ($0.129c) and the rake (registration fee) is 16.279%. Now I'm sure you could argue many a point with me and it would invariably come down to a matter of opinion, but math is math 




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The next time you reg in something that charges a rake fee for entering the tournament go to your cashiers box before and after you register. Did they charge you the amount that it says,or an amount that subtracts the rake from the equation? You are paying $1.50 to enter the tournament/SNG. $1.50. $1.29 goes in the prize pool.$0.21 goes in the kick for Stars as the rake. $1.29 + $0.21 = $1.50. The entire outlay is $1.50. To discover how much of that is being set aside for the prize pool and how much is being set aside for the rake you divide each amount by the WHOLE,not by the REMAINDER. Here,let's use your formula for a rounder set of numbers. Say we enter a $10.00 event and the rake is $1.00. So we then take $1.00 and divide it by 1% of the remaining $9.00,correct? That would come to 11.11%,yes? Dman,are you really going to try and tell me that 1 is 11.11% of 10? Because I think at first blush,without having to whip out a calculator,paper and pencil,or abacus most everyone here would be able to quickly surmise that taking $1 away from a $10 buyin equals a 10% rake fee. 




If you go to the store and buy $9.00 worth of goods but it cost you $10.00 how much tax are you
paying? 




11.11111111....%  I went to 8 decimal places and couldn't get $10.





Hi guys,
I'm happy to try to field any rakerelated questions, although my High School calculus days are well behind me at this point. Both arguments are valid here, depending on if you want to measure the percentage of rake in relation to the buyin or in relation to prizepool + rake. I think of rake in terms of the buyin, so if the tournament is a $2.50 buyin with $0.50 going to rake, the rake is 25% and not 20%. Let me know if this makes sense or if you have further questions. PokerStars VIP Coordinator  Dylan





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Hope you're not still having to complete tax returns Mox. The IRS could give you a nasty surprise one day 


