Home / Community / Forum / Poker Education / Texas Hold'Em Tournament Section (MTTs & STTs) /

JJ - calling shove on 3364 board. 1.50 90man

Old
Default
JJ - calling shove on 3364 board. 1.50 90man - Sun May 20, 2012, 07:32 PM
(#1)
labs22's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 67
It's not the first time something like this has happened to me. I have no reads on the opponent. Can I really make this call profitably? Could I really make a profitable fold here? Well, after seeing what he had I'd like to have folded... but when this spot comes up in the future I'll probably make the call again.

 
Old
Default
Sun May 20, 2012, 09:38 PM
(#2)
TrumpinJoe's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,557
People play ace rag in situations a lot worse the 5:1 pot odds pre-flop. With a standard opening raise from a steal position you are likely to get callers at a loose passive table. When you are up against 3 opponents someone hits the flop almost every time. Although most of these times you will be ahead of the, I tend to play cautiously when when I get multiple callers with a late position opening raise.

Three callers in indicative of loose passive play. When someone turns aggressive after being passive my spidey sense starts to tingle. I would have to have a good read that they could be repping a hand here to continue. Absent that read its a fold for me.

Good decisions!
 
Old
Default
Sun May 20, 2012, 09:57 PM
(#3)
TheLangolier's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,505
(Head Trainer)
Hi labs,

You are almost 100bb's deep to start this hand, the villain is deep stacked as well... your hand isn't that strong in a 4 way pot so why force the action to be for a huge pot?

I like the preflop raise just fine obviously. On the flop I would generally c-bet but I size it a bit smaller, 2/3rds pot is just not necessary on this board texture. It's not impossible for someone to have hit this board well since it's a multi-way pot, but for all those that missed their range will be air or smallish/medium pairs. We're crushing all of that, so I'd rather make a bet that controls the pot size a bit better and gives the hands drawing to 2 outs like 77 a reason to stick around and give us value. Anywhere from 150-175 seems about right to me.

The one guy check/calls your large bet, that should be a concern. I would probably check behind on the turn here a large % of the time (without reads) which makes MY hand looked like a missed big ace, and plan to call a river bet, or make a value bet if checked to on the river. This controls the pot, gets our hand to showdown without stacking off to a better hand, and gets extra value out marginal holdings by induce river bluffs or "value bets" by worse, as well as curiosity check/calls.

As played, I would actually fold to this guys check-raise jam. His line looks very strong, I think trip 3's is the least he's going to show you here. If he were super aggro or a massive spewer I would probably get it in, but then again I wouldn't be making another large bet on the turn because it sets us up to face exactly this spot, and our hand strength does not warrant it in a pot that started out multi-way.


Head Live Trainer
Check out my Videos

4 Time Bracelet Winner



 
Old
Cool
Sun May 20, 2012, 10:14 PM
(#4)
labs22's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
Posts: 67
Thanks for the answers. I`ve got to think a little better in these spots. the problem is that I expected to see flush and straight draws and A6 type hands more often than sets, straights or full houses... overpairs are never as good as they may seem. I never learn...
 

Getting PokerStars is easy: download and install the PokerStars game software, create your free player account, and validate your email address. Clicking on the download poker button will lead to the installation of compatible poker software on your PC of 51.7 MB, which will enable you to register and play poker on the PokerStars platform. To uninstall PokerStars use the Windows uninstaller: click Start > Control Panel and then select Add or Remove programs > Select PokerStars and click Uninstall or Remove.

Copyright (c) PokerSchoolOnline.com. All rights reserved, Rational Group, Douglas Bay Complex, King Edward Road, Onchan, Isle of Man, IM3 1DZ. You can email us on support@pokerschoolonline.com