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Heads Up Advice - Mon Jun 04, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Ok recently I found a mode which I seem to be fairly consistent at and I enjoy it.

NLHE $1.50 6 Max Sit & Go Hyper

Top 2 get paid out and it's fairly quick. I tend to get into the money at least half the time although due to the way prize money is split, I need to be getting 2nd just over half the time to turn profit. If you really want to make money from this then you got to be placing 1st.

I've played 17 now since last night and my stats so far are:

Won - 1
Runner up - 8
Not in money (usually 3rd) - 9

So overall I have profited marginally but my heads up record is awful. Alot of them losses have came down to luck, I tend to call the oppositions all in with a strong hand pre flop and they will hit a lucky pair. As the blinds are rising so quickly in hyper, theres no time to play it safe and if you don't go in on 3 or 4 hands in a row then you'll lose half your stack.
I'd say I'm not too bad in a sense that when I call an opponent all in and lose, I usually still find my way back into the game despite being on 1/4 or less of his chips. But the all in calls where it matters never swing my way.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Hey smyth,

There's a live training session this afternoon, registration for it opens at 6pm, UK time, starts at 8, I believe. Might be worth you checking out.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:38 AM
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I played a few of those 6 max hypers, first thing I done was identify the regs by watching the lobby.

The blind structure means you have to get pretty aggressive but not necessarily so in the first few levels. It's either raise or fold heads up and I rarely flat call. Just try and get your good hands in ahead and be the aggressor.

I found the games too high of a variance. There's definitely a skill in them but I don't think I played a big enough sample to know if they were profitable long term. You do bang your head at times with the muck they play and hit. I think you'd be doing pretty well with a 5% ROI in these and any profit is good imo. They are more useful for generating VPPs which you could live off at a break even pace at higher levels.

I'd keep a careful eye on my balance in these as you could lose several buy ins very quickly.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 11:46 AM
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Just checking, I played 121 of these at a 2.5% ROI and a whopping profit of $4.56. I think I stopped playing after I dropped a few buy ins towards the end, I just kept banging my head with the trash they played and hit. Even the regs were pushing hands like K2o when the blinds were pretty low and cracking my KK etc.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Hi SmythCrewsfc!

For help with HU play, please take a look at the videos from Andre (HoRRoR77) in the video section. He is a heads-up specialist and I know that watching those along with his live training sessions has helped my HU game tremendously.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Hey smyth,

There's a live training session this afternoon, registration for it opens at 6pm, UK time, starts at 8, I believe. Might be worth you checking out.
I seen that but unfortunately I'm at a family BBQ tonight or else I would of been watching. I'll probably give it a look later tonight/tomorrow

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Just checking, I played 121 of these at a 2.5% ROI and a whopping profit of $4.56. I think I stopped playing after I dropped a few buy ins towards the end, I just kept banging my head with the trash they played and hit. Even the regs were pushing hands like K2o when the blinds were pretty low and cracking my KK etc.
Yeah my VPP have gone up a good bit from playing them although I am yet to spend any VPP. Is there any decent tournaments or anything I can enter with them? I only have like 70 as I've not been playing long.

That's definitely one of the most annoying things, so many times I go into a pot with a strong hand pre flop and lose to the likes of 72o. But I do seem to reach the final 2 50% of the time so I am doing something right. I'm not sure if my heads up play is bad, whether it's extremely bad luck, or more than likely a combination of the two.

I tend to raise most times as SB to win the blinds unless I've got a very bad hand. Likewise my opposition tends to do the same and again the stakes are so high it's not worth calling alot of the time.

As I type this I do think there is one element of my play which I'll look to change. Most of my opponents always raise all in the majority of hands and in return I'd do the same. The profits may be huge but so are the losses. I think when I do have a decent hand that I should only be raising a small amount in hope of getting a call and to get more money out of him and if I happen to lose it won't be as catastrophic as if I went all in.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Hi SmythCrewsfc!

For help with HU play, please take a look at the videos from Andre (HoRRoR77) in the video section. He is a heads-up specialist and I know that watching those along with his live training sessions has helped my HU game tremendously.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)
Cheers John
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 12:30 PM
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You can't say either way whether you're a winning or losing player with a 17 game sample size, it is far too small.

People generally push all in or fold when under 10-15bb, which in these hypers is going to be most of the time. Watching Horror's videos certainly can't hurt, although they are mostly if not all to do with regular and turbo speed, so are less about heads up push/fold ranges.

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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 12:55 PM
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Just looking down my results, I was $28.50 profit at one stage after 85 games (decent imo) and then lost my last 8 games in a row to give me a net profit of $4.56 and the reason I stopped playing them. Noticed TT v QJo ai pre flop lost, KK v JJ lost, 33 v KTo lost, AQo v 55 lost, etc. Generally I was getting my chips in good and losing so it shows the high variance in these games. I suppose had I won these flips (or miles ahead in some cases) I'd still be playing them.

If you've a limited bankroll I'd definitely avoid these but they are a decent way to build your VPP's. Just keep a careful eye on your ROI. I have an overall ROI in STTs of 14% but would struggle to make 5% in these imo.

Becoming SNE guarantees you $108,000 in rakeback. You could definitely play these all day at a $30+ level at break even pace and make SNE and live off the rakeback. It certainly levels the field skill wise.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Just forget about your FPPs their unimportant when you're micro stake. Just concentrate on winning poker and improving for the mean time. Each FPP is only worth around 1 cent so I'd worry more about winning than trying to play the FPP game.

I cashed my first FPPs for a great hoody about a year ago but a local pro was telling me not to spend them on merchandise as if you ever play live, Pokerstars give you loads of pruck from the shop like hats, t shirts etc.

I recently cashed all my FPPs for 7 Sunday Storm tickets. I think this gives you the best bang for your buck at low stakes. For a bronze star player, the 210FPP Satellite to the Sunday Storm is good value if you win. It pays out 6 places from a field of 20 but the ticket won can be converted to T$ which is the same as cash but the thing is you have to win. If you specialise in low field STTs then it's a decent route for you.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012, 02:13 PM
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Watching Horror's videos certainly can't hurt, although they are mostly if not all to do with regular and turbo speed, so are less about heads up push/fold ranges.
Horror has done hyper-turbo HU coaching as well. The difference though is he's playing HU matches specifically, while OP is playing 6max sng's so when the OP is getting heads up there is already a stack difference instead of = starting stacks and there is a depth of money difference.

As others stated it's going to be a push/fold game and ranges will be very wide (if you want any chance to win, as you note if you fold a few hands it costs half your stack). If you find you are losing a lot as the favorite over a tiny sample of 17 games it's just run-bad. But make sure that you are doing a lot of the pushing from the SBB to make your opponent call off or fold when the stacks are very short, The sample is too small and we don't know how you play these generally, but over a large sample if the main way you lose these is to call your opponent's shove with a decent hand and lose, you may not be playing them right. Of course that scenario will happen, but a common way you should lose them (when you do) is by pushing the SBB and running into a hand, and not sucking out. Aggression is critical in these, especially in turbos and hyper-turbos where the stacks get shallow really quickly and just a few steals makes a big swing in the stack dynamic.


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Wed Jun 06, 2012, 01:02 AM
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Well I've had a bit more success with the heads up. Main reason being that I've changed my playstyle slightly as I noted earlier in the thread. When I have something decent I'm trying to milk money out of the opposition rather than bully for the blinds/hope he calls. And again I'm folding hands when I am SB rather than raising/calling with weak hands and just playing alot smarter, not trying to bully when I have nothing at all. Just being patient.

I checked my stats on these games now:

Played - 43
Won - 5
Second - 13
Out of money - 25
Total Buy In - $64.50
Amount Won - $65.52

Obviously not the best result but it's still in the green and I'm still learning, with time I'll hopefully improve on that and I'm still earning VPP and becoming a better player as well as enjoying it. So I think I'll stick at this and now that I'm beginning to win the heads on slightly more often, I'll hopefully see a bigger profit.
One problem as well is that I need to walk away when I'm winning as the games are so quick that I find myself playing on occasions untill I end up on a 2 loss streak.

Thanks for the tips so far
 

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