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5nl 6max AK what do i do post flop? - Tue Jun 05, 2012, 10:38 AM
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PokerStars Zoom Hand #81513993779: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2012/06/05 5:49:11 ET
Table 'Donati' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Gabe3000 ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: ives739 ($4.87 in chips)
Seat 3: Nashy1996 ($7.73 in chips)
Seat 4: kim035be ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 5: dartlord-21 ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Eerazor ($6.07 in chips)
ives739: posts small blind $0.02
Nashy1996: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nashy1996 [Kc Ah]
kim035be: folds
dartlord-21: folds
Eerazor: raises $0.10 to $0.15
Gabe3000: raises $0.30 to $0.45
ives739: folds
Nashy1996: raises $0.85 to $1.30
Eerazor: folds
Gabe3000: calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [7s 2h 4c]
Nashy1996: bets $1.40
Gabe3000: calls $1.40
*** TURN *** [7s 2h 4c] [8h]
Nashy1996: checks
Gabe3000: bets $2.30 and is all-in
Nashy1996: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.30) returned to Gabe3000
Gabe3000 collected $5.34 from pot
Gabe3000: doesn't show hand

Hey guys,

Just wanted your thoughts on this hand i played,i had AK in the bb as you can see and it was raised and 3bet in front of me.I decided to 4bet because the 3better had a 3bet% of 18 over a good sample.
So i thought i'd take the lead and was prepared to get the money in pre flop against this opponent.Gabe3000 decided to flat my 4bet.

I didnt hit the flop but given i'd shown so much pre flop strength i decided to represent a premium pair and cbet.I have to say when i dont get stacks in preflop in these AK spots and my opponent flat 3bets etc i can get a bit lost.After he calls on the flop i decided to give up and let it go.
What do u guys think of my play? i would love some suggestions on any post flop options in these spots,thanks heaps

Nashy1996
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2012, 03:28 PM
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i would have either 4bet jam as to avoid exactly what happened in a 4bet pot oop maybe against even 2 people. Or just flatted if an A or K on flop probably c/c all the way down. just my opinion.
 
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Big Slick - Tue Jun 05, 2012, 05:36 PM
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Tue Jun 05, 2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nashy1996 View Post
PokerStars Zoom Hand #81513993779: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2012/06/05 5:49:11 ET
Table 'Donati' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Gabe3000 ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: ives739 ($4.87 in chips)
Seat 3: Nashy1996 ($7.73 in chips)
Seat 4: kim035be ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 5: dartlord-21 ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Eerazor ($6.07 in chips)
ives739: posts small blind $0.02
Nashy1996: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nashy1996 [Kc Ah]
kim035be: folds
dartlord-21: folds
Eerazor: raises $0.10 to $0.15
Gabe3000: raises $0.30 to $0.45
ives739: folds
Nashy1996: raises $0.85 to $1.30
Eerazor: folds
Gabe3000: calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [7s 2h 4c]
Nashy1996: bets $1.40
Gabe3000: calls $1.40
*** TURN *** [7s 2h 4c] [8h]
Nashy1996: checks
Gabe3000: bets $2.30 and is all-in
Nashy1996: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.30) returned to Gabe3000
Gabe3000 collected $5.34 from pot
Gabe3000: doesn't show hand

Hey guys,

Just wanted your thoughts on this hand i played,i had AK in the bb as you can see and it was raised and 3bet in front of me.I decided to 4bet because the 3better had a 3bet% of 18 over a good sample.
So i thought i'd take the lead and was prepared to get the money in pre flop against this opponent.Gabe3000 decided to flat my 4bet.

I didnt hit the flop but given i'd shown so much pre flop strength i decided to represent a premium pair and cbet.I have to say when i dont get stacks in preflop in these AK spots and my opponent flat 3bets etc i can get a bit lost.After he calls on the flop i decided to give up and let it go.
What do u guys think of my play? i would love some suggestions on any post flop options in these spots,thanks heaps

Nashy1996

Hi Nashy.

We get a lot of questions about slick oop in the HA forum, so you are not the only one to have an issue with that situation.

I think you are at the point (from your other hands posted here) that rather than talk about all the possibilities, it might be better to just speak in generalities.

To me, the biggest thing you want to think about in these spots is what you EXPECT to happen. You indicate that you "expected" a 4bet that you could 5bet shove for value and with the right equity versus this opp. Right there that means your thought of 3betting is fine.

You also need to consider what might happen if you do NOT get what you "expect" though.

- How likely will a C bet be to win you the pot on the various flops?
- How likely are you to get paid off if you hit your hand?
- How likely is it that the most typical hand you might flop (top/top) will be best on a variety of boards?
- How deeply invested are you, and your opponent, after you make the 3bet, and does making the 3bet mean you feel "committed" if you C Bet?

I have to honestly think in this spot Nashy, the depth of money was such that your 3bet at the size you made it was pretty committing if it got called, especially if the villain also flats a standard C Bet. In a case like this, since you'll miss the flop roughly 2/3rds of the time, but almost feel "obligated" to make a C Bet that will leave well under a pot sized bet left in the villain's stack if you make it, you MAY have been better either flatting the raise pre or simply putting him all in pre (or as near to all in as not to matter what came on the flop).

I'd really not like putting myself into a spot where I have put $2.70 into the pot, saw a $5.00 + pot created thereby, and then find myself in a spot I must FOLD to a shove of only $2.30. I'd really prefer to either just move all in pre and hope I get called in a coin flip or better when I am guarenteed to see all 5 cards, of flat to keep my investment in the pot SMALLER in case my C bet oop does not work.

Hope it helps!

-JDean


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