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Really?? - Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:14 PM
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So this hand is like the 4th hand in a Premier League Mtt i played today..

Was happy enuf to see AA, but let me show you the proceeding action..

Im sorry, im not being Racist, but guys and gals 90% of the time that something SIK happens to me in an MTT the last 4months it has been a RUSSIAN suckout specialist that has done it, i mean come on...

So maybe you's can tell me if i over played the hand or not, IMO this guy should not have even seen the flop, because of the action in front of him, well for me in his spot, this is an Easy fold Pre flop, but NO. NO WAY, NOT A RUSSIAN player.. I feel like writing all kinds of explicit language now but im guna refrain from doing so.....




So my bad or his bad? Lol
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:18 PM
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So as you can see my 3bet Pre Flop should have got some respect QJ, fold for me with the action he saw b4 him

Ok so the flop comes Q high, i knew he had a Q, i was hoping AQ or KQ, so i raise him V V big when he puts out that little shitty bet, i was basically screaming at him, IVE ACES, GO AWAY, nope, no way, he was coming for the ride...

Ok so on the turn maybe i could have slowed down, possible straight card and backdoor flush out there, but i still had that sneaking feeling he only had the Q and i again was telling him go away with my big raise, but nope, he was going no where, and low and be hold he hit 1 of his outs on the river...

So my bad or what? Can i get a Hand Evaluation from some one please??

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:41 PM
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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:30 PM
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Hi Briany84!

Preflop with AA, having a std raise and a call in front of me, I'm definitely going to 3-bet. I'd size the bet between 500-700. If it was just the initial raiser, then I'd size it a bit smaller, but with a call too, I'd want to try to thin the field some here. Surprisingly, it is a blind and not the raiser or caller that stays in the hand with me.

The flop brings a possible gutshot straight draw and three undercards... about the best possible flop for AA without hitting an ace. The opp makes a small donk bet of less than 10% of the pot and I definitely need to raise it to price out any draws that they may possibly have (straight or draw to trips or 2 pair if they hit a part of the board).
A read on the opp here would be critical info for me too, as I would want to know if the player is a calling station that could possibly have hit 2 pair already or if they would call a higher bet with a worse hand than I currently have.
I'd make at least a 1/2 pot raise, if not 2/3 pot (lean toward the high end if they are a station and I'm more likely ahead), so I'll raise to 920.

The turn completes one of the gutshots and the opp makes another small lead bet. If I shove, then the opp has to call 746 into a pot of 4780 (15.6%). If they have an OESD and a pair, then they have much more equity in their hand than this, as they have 8 outs to the OESD, 2 to the pair they have and 3 to their other card (13 outs). Even a shove by me won't price them out, so since I cannot price out the opp, I'll just call their bet. If the river helps me or is a blank, it'll be easy for me to get the rest of their chips in on the river.
If I can't price out the opp, then I want to use pot control, so that I lose the least amount of chips that I can. What I don't want to do is to bloat the pot by making a raise that would be a +EV call for the opp.

The river completes more straights (any J now beats me). If the opp makes a small bet, then I'll call it, but if they shove, especially in a league game, I'll muck and save my chips to be able to last longer and get more league points.

Not just in the league games, but in ANY tourney, there are players that won't fold, regardless of what two cards they have, especially if they have a pair, suited cards or an ace. The key when I run into one of these players is to make them make a -EV call... or if I can't do that, to use whatever pot control that I can, in order to preserve chips if they hit.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
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So basically John, my play Pre was bad, didnt raise enough with my 3 bet?

My play on the flop was correct, good raise size, he should have went away?? yea?

But my play on the turn was v v bad, i should have sensed he wasnt going to go away and used better pot control, but like you say, he kept leading out with small donk bets, i thought WEAKNESS, go away, not correct though.

Thanx 4 the evaluation John
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:49 PM
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Yeah. Their call on the flop was definitely a -EV call (which is really what you want them to do, as they'll lose chips to you for doing this in the long run). Unfortunately, they got lucky after the flop.

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