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NL $0.25 Final Table 3 way - Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:56 AM
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I've been going over this hand and I'm not quite sure I played right. It's a $0.25 45 man SnG, I was down to the last three on the final table in the BB. I saw the raise from the SB as being a steal so I went for the re-steal, looking back I think my re-steal bet was a little light, it should of been 4800-6400. Then the raise on the flop took me a long time to call, I think I used up all my time bank, but I was sure it was a bluff as he wouldn't have shoved if he had the straight. I've removed his cards so it doesn't affect people’s replies.

So firstly what would you have done when face with the raise pre-flop, and then what would you have done with the shove on the flop. Sorry I don’t have any stat's on these guys (it's on a different computer, I might update it later today if I remember)

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PokerStars Hand #82021149062: Tournament ...#575158791, $0.23+$0.02 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2012/06/16 11:37 :27 WET [2012/06/16 6:37 :27 ET] Table '575158791 1' 9-max
Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: JukaSotomayw (24152 in chips)
Seat 4: Kedan87 (27157 in chips)
Seat 8: JIEHT9Iu' (16191 in chips)
JukaSotomayw: posts the ante 50
Kedan87: posts the ante 50
JIEHT9Iu': posts the ante 50
JukaSotomayw: posts small blind 400
Kedan87: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Kedan87 [6s Ks]
JIEHT9Iu': folds
JukaSotomayw: raises 800 to 1600
Kedan87: raises 2400 to 4000
JukaSotomayw: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [8c 6h 7s]
JukaSotomayw: bets 20102 and is all-in
Kedan87: calls 20102

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Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:26 AM
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Hi Kedan87!

Was the player in the SB always min-raising? Normally if an opp wants to steal, they'll raise more than the minimum (unless they use a min raise for everything).

When I try to go for a resteal, I want to make it look like a normal raise (same raises for steals and made hands, so the opp will be guessing as to which one I have). My normal raise is to about 3X thier last bet (or a pot sized raise if the pot is already very large). Due to this, I'll raise to 4800 if I want to try a re-steal.

However, if the opp's min bet is not their normal bet (could be a bet tell), then I don't really want to try a re-steal here, as if the opp has any type of hand at all, K6s doesn't have enough equity to be in the hand against them. They would have to be raising as wide as a top 60% hand... to even make playing K6s a breakeven play.

The flop gives me bottom pair, but unless the opp is min-raising everything, I could easily be behind when the opp shoves the flop. Their bet pattern of min-raise/call preflop, then shove 2.5X the pot on the flop looks like a play that a number of people will make with a mid/high pocket pair (and they'll lose value by doing it this way in the long run). Due to that, I'm mucking to their big overbet shove.

Unless the min-raise is their standard play, I'm mucking to their preflop raise. If I'm in the hand, I'm mucking bottom pair to the huge overbet shove on the flop. Players that want to bluff (if they were doing so) will continue to barrel.. so I'll save my chips until I get a better hand, then let the opp double me.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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Flop action - Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kedan87 View Post
So firstly what would you have done when face with the raise pre-flop, and then what would you have done with the shove on the flop. Sorry I don’t have any stat's on these guys (it's on a different computer, I might update it later today if I remember)
The payout structure is flat at the top three spots, 35%, 25%, and 16%. Given the payout structure, it’s just as important to get to 2nd, as it is to get to 1st.

Some players might take this action on this board to protect their hand. Others may find that due to your PF action, you may have missed, and therefore might get you off your hand. A player that can polarize his actions by going AI with both kinds of hands will be the hardest to play against. I find this action to ‘value own’ the bettor, meaning, only strong hands call him. But maybe he was thinking the same thing, as to get you off your hand.

Your 3-bet resteal might have been a bit higher, but then again, vs. some players min raises may look more suspicious. I like the resteal, because it’s a quick way to pick-up chips, and an easy fold to 4-bet. At the same time, your hand is greatly disguised, and you have the power of initiative. This move may also slow your opponent from trying a steal again from this position.

Given no reads on the villain, I am going to give the villain credit for his aggressive action. As played, I find this an easy fold.


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Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Thanks for your replies. I'm going to tighten up my re-steal requirements (unless I have a read on the villain) and also make sure I re-stead for 3x their bet. Just so you know on the previous orbit JukaSotomayw raised on the button for the same standard raise to 1,600 and then folded when faced with my re-raise to 4,800 so I knew he was capable of stealing.

Here's the complete hand history

PokerStars Hand #82021149062: Tournament ...#575158791, $0.23+$0.02 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2012/06/16 11:37 :27 WET [2012/06/16 6:37 :27 ET] Table '575158791 1' 9-max
Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: JukaSotomayw (24152 in chips)
Seat 4: Kedan87 (27157 in chips)
Seat 8: JIEHT9Iu' (16191 in chips)
JukaSotomayw: posts the ante 50
Kedan87: posts the ante 50
JIEHT9Iu': posts the ante 50
JukaSotomayw: posts small blind 400
Kedan87: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kedan87 [6s Ks]
JIEHT9Iu': folds
JukaSotomayw: raises 800 to 1600
Kedan87: raises 2400 to 4000
JukaSotomayw: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [8c 6h 7s]
JukaSotomayw: bets 20102 and is all-in
Kedan87: calls 20102
*** TURN *** [8c 6h 7s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8c 6h 7s Qs] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JukaSotomayw: shows [6d Qc] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
Kedan87: shows [6s Ks] (a pair of Sixes)
JukaSotomayw collected 48354 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 48354 | Rake 0 Board [8c 6h 7s Qs Th]
Seat 1: JukaSotomayw (small blind) showed [6d Qc] and won (48354) with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 4: Kedan87 (big blind) showed [6s Ks] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 8: JIEHT9Iu' (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

It turned out he had a Q6 and I got unlucky on the turn, but then I shouldn't have made the call on the flop anyway.

Thanks for the help
 

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