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Bad luck? - Tue Jul 03, 2012, 04:50 PM
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i hope the link works..

i think i played this hand right...jst bad luck on the turn i guess?

if the link dosnt work heres the hand:

PokerStars Hand #82812936588: Tournament #582518300, $5.20+$1.30+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2012/07/03 21:34:50 WET [2012/07/03 16:34:50 ET]
Table '582518300 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: Atowns89 (4775 in chips)
Seat 5: Misbehaviour (4550 in chips)
Seat 6: ZGV6009 (4175 in chips)
Atowns89: posts the ante 25
Misbehaviour: posts the ante 25
ZGV6009: posts the ante 25
ZGV6009: posts small blind 100
Atowns89: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Atowns89 [Kc Ks]
Misbehaviour: raises 400 to 600
ZGV6009: folds
Atowns89: raises 600 to 1200
Misbehaviour: raises 1600 to 2800
Atowns89: raises 1950 to 4750 and is all-in
Misbehaviour: calls 1725 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (225) returned to Atowns89
*** FLOP *** [7h Jh Ts]
*** TURN *** [7h Jh Ts] [As]
*** RIVER *** [7h Jh Ts As] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Atowns89: shows [Kc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Misbehaviour: shows [Ac Jd] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Misbehaviour collected 9225 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9225 | Rake 0
Board [7h Jh Ts As 7s]
Seat 3: Atowns89 (big blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: Misbehaviour (button) showed [Ac Jd] and won (9225) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012, 05:01 PM
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Hi Atowns89!

Welcome to the forum. Here's a link that will help to get you familiar with the various things that PSO has to offer.

This hand was pretty bad luck, but I would have bet it differently. When the first opp raises to 600, with a premium hand like KK, I want to make a std size 3-bet and not just to double the previous bet. I'd have initially raised to 1800 (3x the previous bet)... then shoved or call a shove by the opp. I want the chips to go in preflop, so that the opp can't see an A hitting the board before they commit their chips.

Good luck at the tables.

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Tue Jul 03, 2012, 07:56 PM
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Yuk, I hate that. Some idiot calls off with a raggy Ace and gets lucky. Time to chuck the PC out of the window.
Rob.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RobinQQQ View Post
Yuk, I hate that. Some idiot calls off with a raggy Ace and gets lucky. Time to chuck the PC out of the window.
Rob.
Its three handed. AJ is not a ragged ace when playing three handed. Hero's range should be much wider than AA & KK. If I was the villain my standard response to hero's opening 3 BB bet is to 3x it to 1800, Since that is almost 1/2 my stack I am pot committed so I'm going all-in almost every time.

No one made a mistake. Poker happens. Next game please.


Good decisions!
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012, 10:43 PM
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I almost forgot.

"There is no luck in poker, only variance." PokerShrink
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2012, 11:04 PM
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I know the feeling it was down to 3 people in an sng tourny final table and i lost AA to a guy with A9 he got his 3rd 9 on the river.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012, 12:16 PM
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Yeah I'd have to agree with Joe, 3 handed AJ is guna be winning most of the time. I dont think anyone made a mistake, just people get lucky sometimes, but hey thats poker!! I had AA and KK beat yday, just dust yourself off and go again
 
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re post - Wed Jul 04, 2012, 02:58 PM
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according to pokerstove the kk is 70 - 30 favourite so aj shouldnt be winning most of the time
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Poker is not played with the cards turned up (what fun would that be?) so we have to estimate ranges for our opponents. KK is getting 4.3:1 to call AJ's allin. This means he only has to win 19% of the time to break even. If he puts his opponents on AA only he has an 18% chance of winning. So they are only making a very small mistake to call. Since AA only is an extremely hard read to make, KK has to call.

Now lets look at the allin by AJ. Since KK knows AJ is pot committed he will be getting the same 4.3:1 to shove. According to PokerStove AJ can shove 70% of all possible holdings and still be getting the proper odds with zero fold equity.

Now, had KK 4-bet shoved to AJ's small 3-bet he is denying AJ odds to call and they should fold.

In the final analysis I dislike both player's lines. Small raises on 20BB stacks will get you in trouble more often than not, especially short-handed and this hand proves it..

Last edited by TrumpinJoe; Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 08:38 PM.. Reason: spelling
 

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