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Bad river move? - Wed Jul 04, 2012, 11:44 AM
etipac's Avatar
Since: Nov 2011
Posts: 116
I do not have reads on the opponent but I think my river shove was bad... right?

My thought was to call the turn raise as most probably he had an 8 but shoving proved he had nothing and I think if I check the river he had to try to bluff?

Thanks in advance
Thu Jul 05, 2012, 07:07 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
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Hi Etienne,

I would actually just put it all in right on the turn, and not wait until the river. If he's bluffing he'll fold obviously, but I think the likelihood he's bluff raising the turn this big is probably small anyway, he rates to have a real hand. The reasonable preflop hands that beat us are 88, 44, 22. He may also take this action with many worse hands, namely smaller flushes and 8x which he thinks he's raising for value, and possibly once in a while he make a move with the Kc flush draw. Against all those hands it's better to get it in right on the turn, a 4th club will freeze 8x and the board double pairing, a 3rd 8 or 4th club may look scary to a smaller flush. They may still get the rest in on the river some of the time, but there's no need to risk it as they will get these in all the time on the turn. We can't really call this raise and fold the river to a full house, so since we have to pay off his boats I like to make sure he pays off my flush fully with his worse hands.

As played, yes I would check and let him bluff or value bet worse hands, shoving now looks very strong. He may have just been making a move with a single club since he folded.


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