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final table with ATo - Tue Jul 10, 2012, 06:49 PM
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on final table ... call or not

no read on the player ....


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Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:12 AM
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Hi Grade b!

With this being a final table, I'm already ITM. The button min-raiises and I need to decide whether to fold/call/raise.

The button should be very wide here, so I do not want to fold. To call is 10k chips into a pot of 51k (19.6%). From pokerstove, since the button shold raise wide here by being on the button, I'll assign a 30% range for the opp (may be conservative even). This gives me a 56% hand equity.
This makes caliing the bet a good play..... but... is it the best play????

Since my hand equity is over 50%, I'm the favorite in the hand. Due to this, I would rather 3-bet the opp here to 75k (3X their bet). Since they should be raising a wide range here, I'm ahead vs their range. If they come over the top and 4-bet me, then I can get off the hand, as they're probaly playing a much tighter range.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:45 AM
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hi Grade b,
well done for making the FT.
Y'know, I just hate A10 so I'm gonna fold




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Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Hi Soth,

we were 6 handed here so when i was dealt these i was like yes raise here put up some chips chance to knock out a shorty. I know i'm OOP but i'm second in chips and as long as its not the chip leader (who is on the button) this looks like a monster to me......

which is why i posted this hand because when the Button (the only player who could knock me out) raises i put a lot of wieght into the old adageof don't get into a fight between two big stacks (ok i know i butchered that saying).

so should that weigh in my decision or are we close enough that i say @@@@ it lets go (which i did in the very next one!!!! (opps)

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Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
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hey Grade b,
yes, I think it's always an option to just go for it, if you feel the time is right. Bust or double up is fair enough. Also it looks a lot like he may be simply trying to steal the blinds so there is a good chance he doesn't have much.


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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:23 AM
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thinking about this again, I'm still not sure that you should call. The reason I don't like A10 is because it seems to improve only rarely. Basically you have to draw a broadway to make a strong hand. There are a couple of quite short stacks on the table. You have a good stack and plenty of time to sit back and let them bust out. If they double up you can revise the situation. That is a passive line to take, but often a winning one. some tables move really quickly and you can find yourself heads up in no time. personally I don't care how many chips I have when I get heads up because you always have a good chance to win. why take on the big stack with this hand? let him take these blinds and you can apply pressure in the following hands to the shortstacks.


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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:52 PM
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Fold or 3-bet. There is no call. (See what I did there!!)

It's a coin toss for me. I could go either way. I might lean towards fold w/ no reads, being second in chips and going up against the CL. That being said, 3-betting is totally fine and probably the right move in the long run. Like someone said before, you can always fold to a 4-bet where you know you're most likely beat.

Now my question is, at this point are we still going 3x his raise for our 3-bet?
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:14 PM
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I think if i reraise then i'm 3x his raise i think.

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