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Hello , some advice would be more than greatfull . Thanks and hello to everybody ! - Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:04 PM
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Hello .

I would like to share with you guys an issue of mine . Today I lost twice all my money at Zoom Tables . I went all in twice with A A . First time lost vs Q 10 - opponent had a straight then I lost vs K 4 - opponent had a flush .

Any advices of how should I play A A , because there is almost always the danger of a flush or a straight .

I'd like to think that I played good by going all in with pocket of aces . Anybody thinks that I should fold hands like A A ?

I'm looking forward for your advices . Thanks a lot for your time !
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:21 PM
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All in pre is great, Pre flop you are a big favorite.

Sometimes it loses most times you win.

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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Thank you very much , also my question is that if there is danger of a flush or a straight or w.e. , we should always fold hands la AA KK QQ ?
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
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At what point did you go all in?
Pre-flop, Post flop, turn or river?
If you can, post your hand history

AA will win more than 85% of the time, so yes sometimes you will lose

GL
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Going all in pre w/ pocket vowels, you are minimally an 80% favorite to win the hand heads up (1opponent) that said however, that means you will lose 1 out of five times on average in the long run. All in pre leave your fate up to the luck of the cards as you can only win by showing down the best hand. So its not always a good idea to do so. Yes, you can and will be drawn out on on occassion, but there's no escaping that.
The human mind doesn't tend to remember things that are expected to happen ie. AA winning..and tends to remember all the bad or unexpected outcomes. Aces are not invincable but believe you me, they will over time hold up FAR more often than not. So if someone wants to play for stacks pre when you hold AA you should always be willing to accomidate them. Long term that will make you alot of money. GL out there, run good. hope that helps a lil. MT
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My mistake I thought you had got it in preflop you should always be consious of board texture whether it be w/ AA or any other hand. This, position, table dynamics, and many other factures should go into your descisions whenever hour play any hand, not just the monsters


May the tinfoil protect you. MT

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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:44 PM
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*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Zoom Hand #84536819441: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2012/08/10 11:53:09 ET
Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rui_4moreira ($5.56 in chips)
Seat 2: Istvanka1212 ($2.51 in chips)
Seat 3: A6XA31 ($1.40 in chips)
Seat 4: StarCash1 ($0.77 in chips)
Seat 5: KpaCyH4iK ($1.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Aiku1985 ($0.78 in chips)
Istvanka1212: posts small blind $0.01
A6XA31: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to StarCash1 [Ad As]
StarCash1: raises $0.02 to $0.04
KpaCyH4iK: folds
Aiku1985: calls $0.04
rui_4moreira: folds
Istvanka1212: folds
A6XA31: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [7s 2h 9h]
A6XA31: checks
StarCash1: checks
Aiku1985: checks
*** TURN *** [7s 2h 9h] [3s]
A6XA31: bets $0.04
StarCash1: calls $0.04
Aiku1985: calls $0.04
*** RIVER *** [7s 2h 9h 3s] [6s]
A6XA31: bets $0.06
StarCash1: raises $0.63 to $0.69 and is all-in
Aiku1985: folds
A6XA31: calls $0.63
*** SHOW DOWN ***
StarCash1: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
A6XA31: shows [Ks 4s] (a flush, King high)
A6XA31 collected $1.57 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.63 | Rake $0.06
Board [7s 2h 9h 3s 6s]
Seat 1: rui_4moreira (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Istvanka1212 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: A6XA31 (big blind) showed [Ks 4s] and won ($1.57) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: StarCash1 showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: KpaCyH4iK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Aiku1985 folded on the River

*********** # 37 **************
PokerStars Zoom Hand #84536392799: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2012/08/10 11:41:41 ET
Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Seahorsey ($2.18 in chips)
Seat 2: deoi ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 3: StarCash1 ($3.66 in chips)
Seat 4: p0kerF@ce296 ($3.22 in chips)
Seat 5: hadi_mistr ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 6: maguriciu1 ($1.95 in chips)
deoi: posts small blind $0.01
StarCash1: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to StarCash1 [As Ad]
p0kerF@ce296: calls $0.02
hadi_mistr: folds
maguriciu1: folds
Seahorsey: folds
deoi: folds
StarCash1: raises $0.02 to $0.04
p0kerF@ce296: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [9h 6d Jh]
StarCash1: checks
p0kerF@ce296: checks
*** TURN *** [9h 6d Jh] [8c]
StarCash1: bets $0.04
p0kerF@ce296: raises $0.06 to $0.10
StarCash1: raises $0.20 to $0.30
p0kerF@ce296: raises $0.34 to $0.64
StarCash1: raises $2.98 to $3.62 and is all-in
p0kerF@ce296: calls $2.54 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.44) returned to StarCash1
*** RIVER *** [9h 6d Jh 8c] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
StarCash1: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
p0kerF@ce296: shows [Qd Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
p0kerF@ce296 collected $6.22 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.45 | Rake $0.23
Board [9h 6d Jh 8c Qs]
Seat 1: Seahorsey (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: deoi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: StarCash1 (big blind) showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: p0kerF@ce296 showed [Qd Td] and won ($6.22) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: hadi_mistr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: maguriciu1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ok . Those are the hands . Any advice is welcome , even critics
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
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Ewwww out of time will try to reply to hand histories later.. #1 don't at all like the min raises utg or after a limper.or giving free cards or bet sizing... Bbl to elaborate


May the tinfoil protect you. MT

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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:06 PM
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Ok my ealier comments were Pre flop.

In both cases however you called all in to some passive villains and yes got the money in when you were beat.

You need more protection for your aces.

Is min raise your standard raise?

Why not bet the flop? With your play (i know its just two hands) but you are giving free cards to let the villains catch up. This is a no no.

You might want to post the history in the hand history thread and get one of the analises look at it too.

Grade b


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:18 PM
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Well , this is how I thought :

mtnestegg reply :
1. I lost few good hands before only because I raised much in the pre-flop or flop , so I thought a trappy play would be more profitable .Of course I don't want my opponent to improve their hands or get a better one than mine , but in contrast , who wants to win 0.03 cents with QQ or KK , not to talk about AA ?

2. What BBL means ?xD Thanks a lot man !

Grade B reply :

1. Is that program Hand replayer that you used for my hands?

2. Like I told mtnestegg , I tried to make them think I'm just bluffing so they call my big raises . I ussually play very agressive my strong hands , but when I see weak players ( or players that are scared to bet / high bet ) I'm trying to make them think they got a better hand so they call .

3. I'm gonna search that Hand History thread . Thanks a lot for your help and time !

Best regards , StarCash1 !
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:31 PM
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I used the hand replayer found here under Tools.

I would rather win 3 cents than lose $2

Grade b


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Lol sorry i'm at work, so dont have much time. Bbl means be back later i'll private message one our moderators and ask him to move this thread to the no limit holdem cash forum for you our hand analysis team can and will help u out in far greater detail than I can at the moment..or any moment for that matter...lol
EDIT. I asked your thread be moved to the nl cash games hand analysis forum should be there shortly gl out there


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:49 PM
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Hi StarCash1!

I'll go thru the first hand.....

Preflop with AA, I want to make a standard opening raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. By keeping my raises standard, the opps won't know whether I have AA, 44, AQ, 9Ts, etc... it will keep them guessing. So, with no limpers, I'll raise to 6 cents.

The flop brings three undercards with two hearts and two opps. When the first opp checks to me, I want to make a value bet, but I need to make it large enough that if either or both opps have hearts and are drawing... that they pay enough into the pot to make drawing a negative play. I do not want to bet less or check, as then the opps have a draw that will GAIN them chips in the long run. With two opps and a possible flush or straight draw, I will bet 3/4 pot here. This guarantees that the opp in this situation will LOSE chips on average drawing to beat me. My bet will be 10 cents.

The turn is another undercard and the first opp leads out for 4 cents. I'm in the same situation now as on the flop.... I need to bet enough to price out any draws. I will raise 3/4 pot here, to 17 cents. Any bet less than this gives the opps the correct odds to draw, which is something that I do NOT want to do.

On the river, the 6 completes both a straight AND the spade flush draw. The opp makes a small bet into me. While my hand does have showdown value, it is definitely not the nut hand and due to that, I'm going to call here to get to showdown. I don't want to make a large overbet raise here because it will only accomplish getting myself value-owned.... any hand better than mine will call... any worse hand folds.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:51 PM
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I would also like to know , if possible , how to post my hands in that thread ( I quess that's the right section ) Old Hand Analysis , because I don't find any button to create a new thread .

Thanks a lot !

StarCash1 .
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:58 PM
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Hi StarCash1!

Here is a link to the cash game hand analysis forum.

John (JWK24)


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:14 PM
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Hi StarCash1
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnLine.

Here is a link that will help you find your way around.

Again, welcome, and good luck.


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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:47 PM
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Thanks a lot guys for your help , I really apreciate people like that ! If you think that , now or in future , I might also could give help in any kind of situation , please do not hesitate under any circumstances to appeal me !!!

StarCash1
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:39 PM
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MHO (I'm not a serious player, but my basics tell me:)
Hand 1:
Trappy play doesn't work too well with that hand.
Min-raise means you're not thinning out the field much, which is what you want to do, as AA plays great head-up, good 3-ways, not-so-good 4-ways, etc.

Flop. Ahem (see turn).
Turn, you want to prize out the draws. Not let them get them.

River, the board is just what you did not want (prize out). Not quite the time and place to shove it.

Hand 2: Same. You keep checking to give free cards, let them get it, etc.

The hand replayer is here. It's got instructions, but the really good instructions are in this thread.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
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Hi Starcash,

this is the kind of thing we are hoping for when we get dealt AA




sometimes this happens mind you



Grade b


I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught. ~Winston Churchill

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Last edited by Grade b; Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM.. Reason: added a hand
 

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