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Help with hand ;) - Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:20 PM
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Hey guys I'm still playing this tournament but I found this spot interesting so I want to hear your opinions plz!
This is during a 2,75$ tournament late stage(ITM)
I am 20/207 43881 Tourn avg:21k

Villain 6(QQ) is playing 39/9 trough 14 hands
Villain 7(A5) is playing 73/31 3betpf 19(7/39) trough 39 hands...
Vil.6(Mosh)
Vil.7(Vitoria)

If it wasnt for the stats this would be a snap fold, but i was so crazy to bust Vil.7...But I still managed to fold.
What would you do?A call would make me chip leader by far...
And independent of the result of of the hand do you think it was a good decision?

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/rep...ash=A42202AF13


PokerStars Hand #85333815620: Tournament #614010691, $2.50+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2012/08/27 23:54:51 UTC [2012/08/27 19:54:51 ET]
Table '614010691 15' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: beerzy19 (43881 in chips)
Seat 3: Ranon350 (24760 in chips)
Seat 4: makspain777 (7931 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Artemchika (24027 in chips)
Seat 6: MoshGaz (11008 in chips)
Seat 7: VITORIA61 (48131 in chips)
Seat 8: Pal'ma "P.N" (35774 in chips)
Seat 9: lisbon roar (10980 in chips)
beerzy19: posts the ante 75
Ranon350: posts the ante 75
makspain777: posts the ante 75
Artemchika: posts the ante 75
MoshGaz: posts the ante 75
VITORIA61: posts the ante 75
Pal'ma "P.N": posts the ante 75
lisbon roar: posts the ante 75
beerzy19: posts small blind 400
Ranon350: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beerzy19 [Qh Ah]
makspain777: folds
Artemchika: folds
MoshGaz: raises 1200 to 2000
VITORIA61: raises 6000 to 8000
Pal'ma "P.N": folds
lisbon roar: folds
beerzy19 said, "enfim"
beerzy19 said, "a fazer isso com AJ"
beerzy19 said, "provalvelmente"
beerzy19 said, "eu vou folda AK..."
beerzy19 said, "gl"
beerzy19 said, "ele tem QQ"
beerzy19: folds
Ranon350: folds
MoshGaz: raises 2933 to 10933 and is all-in
VITORIA61: calls 2933
*** FLOP *** [5d 9c Kc]
*** TURN *** [5d 9c Kc] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [5d 9c Kc 8c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MoshGaz: shows [Qs Qd] (a pair of Queens)
VITORIA61: shows [5s Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
VITORIA61 collected 23666 from pot
MoshGaz finished the tournament in 206th place and received $4.20.


Give me some opinions guys!

Last edited by beerzy19; Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:25 PM..
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
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Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:38 PM
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Hi Beerzy,

I would agree with you that a fold is our normal line here.

Couple of things about this hand.

The 3bet is a big one. The original raise is a usual 2.5x raise the 3bet is then 4 times that to 10x. Add to that the short stack will be getting a very good price if we enter the pot if he does go with the hand he'll likely put in his remaining 4BBs (which wouldn't reopen the betting).

So flat calling could end up with a 33BB pot with 40BBs behind. An absolutely horrible spot. So flat calling is not an option.

4betting to 16-20BB would again put us in a similar spot, so a 4bet would need to be a shove allin.

The benefit of the 4bet being the fold equity we generate. Question at this point then is how much fold equity do we have?

Will MoshGaz playing 39/9 fold needing to put 9000 in to win a potential 33,000? Remebering he's playing alot of his weaker hands passively.

Will VITORIA61 playing 73/31, assuming his large 3bet doesn't mean he's really strong, put his ego aside and admit defeat after putting in 8,000 chips and 65,000 chips out there in the middle.

In this case I don't think we are in a good shape to get 2 folds. Even if the players are playing weaker hands. We have a great spot in tourney we don't need to risk 50BBs preflop vs a maniac.

After you see his hand though. Rather than thinking what could have been, we should be making a note of what he had so we can use this information and possibly take advantage of his play next time.

Once we have this information we can choose a line that's not our normal line and look to punish his 3bet bluff or just as likely his really weak call allin .

Nice play
Andy




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Tue Aug 28, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Hi Andy!

First, thank you for your answer!

As you said flat was not an option there, I was thinking either to shove or fold there, but the reason I rly wanted to shove it's cause Vitoria was 3betting so much and so light and my ideia was to isolate the vil.6(mosh)(I rly couldn't put him on a 3bet range, could be anything (vitoria)...)

But after reading your answer and watching again the hand, I realize that if I shoved (taking the risk of being called by the 2) but managed to isolate mosh I wouldn't be that good against his range as he started the hand with just 14bb's and it's making a 2.5x raise(now I get he just wanted some calls).
But about Vitoria large 3bet that was std, he was doing that with anything...

But hey! I managed to get a double up trough Vitoria with kings some hands later!And managed to get 18th

And thank you for your answer again Andy!

Last edited by beerzy19; Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM..
 

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