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Is there a typo in the Starting Hands Guide? - Tue Aug 28, 2012, 12:20 AM
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The Starting Hands Guide
http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...lop-essentials
shows that with pre-flop mid pairs when everybody folded, we should "fold" but the grid is in red color which usually stands for "raise", so I would like to know whether it is a typo that we should actually raise in that situation instead of folding?

Thank you very much!!

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Tue Aug 28, 2012, 06:04 AM
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Hi HaryTradr!

The chart IMO is correct. Playing non-premium pairs from early position if everyone has folded, is a fold.
When I open a pot, I want to be making a standard raise and these pairs are not strong enough to do so with... when there are a large number of players left to act that will have position on me for the rest of the hand.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:17 AM
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Thank you very much John. But according to the chart why should we raise with the same hole cards(Mid-Pairs) when somebody called and we are in the same position(early position) but fold when everybody folded?
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:17 AM
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Hi HaryTradr!

If someone has called (limped) then they most likely have a speculative hand, so we would want to raise with a pocket pair. We want to raise, to try and isolate the limper that should have a worse hand.

I don't, however, want to open the betting with a non-premium pair from early position.

Here is a video from Dave (TheLangolier) that deals with position, which is a very important concept in playing NLHE.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Thanks a lot John. After watching the video from Dave, I still have questions regarding the Starting Hands Guide.

Why shouldn't we "call 20" with small pairs in early position when somebody called/everybody folded but we do when somebody raised?

Why should we fold with suited connectors in blinds when everybody folded?

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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 12:25 PM
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We want to fold those hands due to having to play the entire hand out of position. Being involved with them is a huge chip leak over time due to position. The blinds especially, then early position... are the worst places to be at the table.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 02:02 PM
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A question to add for John, your answers are they from a text book nit,tag prospective for harry?

If I was playing LAG or my other style I will not mention im raising to folders x3 all day?

Curious your thoughts on this John and to add to Harrys answer.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 03:47 PM
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They're straight out of the courses from PSO.. and are regardless of a player's style.

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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Thanks John. I thought Early Position was worse than blinds when we came to pre-flop bet but if Blinds is the worst position then early position, why should we raise with suited facecards/facecards, in blinds when everybody folded while we should fold in early position?

Thanks for answering so many questions
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2012, 09:00 PM
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Because with the face cards in the blinds, I've seen everyone's preflop reaction and these can turn into much better hands. When in early position and everyone else to act after me.. I have no clue what the others may or may not do when it's their turn to act.

Blinds are better preflop, but much worse post-flop and I need to take both into account on deciding which hands to play.
Both are bad after the flop, as I'll have to act first, which makes playing the hand much harder.

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