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Knowing when to fold an overpair - Tue Sep 04, 2012, 02:02 AM
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I'm a tourney player and need some help with my post flop cash game play, spesifically how to recognize when the villian has flopped a set and I don't have much info on the villian.

I typically play 10NL Zoom and/or Full Ring. I play TAG running 12/10. My probem occurs when Im holding QQ, KK and AA. I raise or reraise preflop, and the flop brings three lower, unconnected, unsuited cards.

My standard line is to c-bet 50% of the pot, but if the villian flats or reraises I get into trouble. How do you continue with these hands? Nearly all of my big losses come from this type of situation. I go to the river only to see the villian had flopped a set.

Any advice would be appreciated! I would like to improve this area before the Cash Table Callenge kicks off

Roland GTX
 
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Tue Sep 04, 2012, 05:36 AM
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Hi Roland,

As you're on team FR my advice would to call down any size bet with any pair. You never know it might be good. Hahaha just kidding

This is a tough one, I haven't reached the dizzy heights of 10nl yet so I'm not sure how play differes to the lowers stakes. However in my experience at 2nl players will often let you know they have a set, a lot of players will c/r with there sets sometimes the flop but often on the turn.

Another telling sign is when the flop goes check-check and then the player leads for pot or even overbets the turn. In general I would say if a player shows some strong aggression such as check raising, then take a step back and think about what they're representing. I'm not saying that you should automatically fold overpairs to check raises but take everything you know about the player and consider what there repping, if it makes sense etc...

Also one thing that has really helped me is going back and making notes on players from the hands I fast fold.

Hope I could be some help.

Oliver

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Tue Sep 04, 2012, 05:51 AM
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Thanks for your advice Croyd93!

My note taking in Zoom is pretty much non-existant. I could definately improve on that point.

I'm very TAG, so against a single villian, my flops never go check - check. Im either raising for value or raising to gain information - LOL!

I find big turn bets tough to read, is it strength or a steal attempt after floating the early streets...? Laying down KK or AA seems weak, but Ive lost some big stacks going to the river with just an overpair.

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Tue Sep 04, 2012, 07:43 AM
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My note taking in Zoom is pretty much non-existant. I could definately improve on that point.

I'm very TAG, so against a single villian, my flops never go check - check. Im either raising for value or raising to gain information - LOL!

I find big turn bets tough to read, is it strength or a steal attempt after floating the early streets...? Laying down KK or AA seems weak, but Ive lost some big stacks going to the river with just an overpair.

Cheers for Belgian Beer!

Roland GTX
Hi again Roland,

To begin with my zoom note taking was pretty poor, however I've found my game improving as my notes have built up. Often you will only have notes against the regs but theses are crucial as the regs are often pretty decent so any help is useful.


I play very LAG so I am not always c-betting, c-betting 100% of the time is very exploitable. Also when betting you should never be 'betting for information'. Information may by a 'bi-product' of betting but you should only bet for value or as a bluff.

Baluga theorem states that when facing a raise on the turn we should re-evaluate with 1 pair hands. This is because most raises on the turn are a sign of strength. When someone raises on the turn it creates a big pot going to the river if called, this means that they are more than likely willing to commit to their hand therefore they have a strong hand. Obviously this is player dependant as some players may raise the turn with second pair, this is where notes come in.

Also I would say people raisng the turn are less likely to be trying to steal after floating the flop. People who aim to float the flop and take away the pot on the turn if checked to will most likely give up when the double barrel is fired. They will sometimes call if they picked up some equity such as a FD or TP but raising as a steal is less likly imo.

Again this is just from my experience playing 2nl so it may not have much value at 10nl.

Good luck

Oliver


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Tue Sep 04, 2012, 07:56 AM
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Good stuff!

I can spew chips at all levels. I have even had the pleasure of getting stacked at the 200NL level... $240 bucks down the drain after getting ai with KK preflop. Yeah, he had AA

Roland GTX

I think the lesson here (my post, not the 200NL hand) is not to get carried away with TPTK, and overpair hands.
 

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