Home / Community / Forum / Support Area / Support Center /

The Rule of Two and Four

Old
Angry
The Rule of Two and Four - Fri Nov 02, 2012, 02:51 AM
(#1)
edujosan's Avatar
Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 2
Hey! I've been doing the poker basics courses, and I ran up into this. Where is the mistake? In the rule or in the example?

To put it another way: multiply by four if two cards are still to come, or two for only one card.)

Here are some examples:

1. You have 10 9 on a flop of A J 8. You expect your opponent has a hand like A 10 - ie, one pair - and therefore you need a straight to win. You have four queens and four sevens to make your hand. That is a total of eight outs.

Now apply the formula. The percentage of making your hand is:

By the turn: 8*2 = 16%
By the river: 8*4 = 32%
 
Old
Default
Fri Nov 02, 2012, 04:53 AM
(#2)
wiltshireman's Avatar
Since: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,572
(Moderator)
Hi edujosan
Thanks for your post , and welcome to PSO. This link will help you find your way around.

The rule of 2 and 4 is correct, but the example is wrong.

I will ask someone to take a look.

Good luck at the tables.


Moderator
 
Old
Default
Fri Nov 02, 2012, 08:48 PM
(#3)
edujosan's Avatar
Since: Oct 2012
Posts: 2
Thanks Tony, great. Do take a look, it was a bit confusing.
 
Old
Default
Sat Nov 03, 2012, 06:29 AM
(#4)
royalraise85's Avatar
Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 26,026
(Community Coordinator)
Quote:
Originally Posted by edujosan View Post
Hey! I've been doing the poker basics courses, and I ran up into this. Where is the mistake?
By the turn: 8*2 = 16%
By the river: 8*4 = 32%
Hi edujosan,

Thanks for pointing this out and you are correct.

Recently PokerSchoolOnline updated all the quizzes and this was a typo mistake that ocurred while this was happening.

We've now fixed it thanks to your help and it now reads:

By the turn: 8*4 = 32%
By the river: 8*2 = 16%

Apologies for any confusion caused and thanks again for letting us know.

Raiser


Moderator

Bracelet Winner


 
Old
Default
Sat Nov 03, 2012, 06:55 AM
(#5)
Ovalman's Avatar
Since: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,778
Confused

Our odds of hitting the turn are 8*2 but the odds of hitting the river if we call on the flop are 8*4.
 
Old
Default
Sat Nov 03, 2012, 08:44 AM
(#6)
TheAwesomeNW's Avatar
Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 474
Confused now too.. I agree with Ovalman. Based on the example, we have an open-ended straight draw, 8 outs. Always thought that if we call once on the flop, odds of hitting by turn is 8 x 2. If we call all in the flop, meaning 2 streets to come, odds of hitting by river is 8 x 4.

Why is it the other way royal? Or is there some interpretation mistake by me??

Last edited by TheAwesomeNW; Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 08:47 AM..
 
Old
Default
Sat Nov 03, 2012, 10:11 AM
(#7)
royalraise85's Avatar
Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 26,026
(Community Coordinator)
Hi guys,

Yes, it's still confusing the way it's worded. We'll edit it again.

For new members benefit here's the way it should read.

On The Flop (with 2 cards to come)8*4 = 32%
On The Turn (with 1 card to come) 8*2 = 16%

Hope this helps,

Raiser


Moderator

Bracelet Winner


 
Old
Default
Sat Nov 03, 2012, 10:22 AM
(#8)
Ovalman's Avatar
Since: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,778
Much clearer
 
Old
Default
Sun Nov 04, 2012, 01:43 AM
(#9)
TheAwesomeNW's Avatar
Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 474
Thanks!
 

Getting PokerStars is easy: download and install the PokerStars game software, create your free player account, and validate your email address. Clicking on the download poker button will lead to the installation of compatible poker software on your PC of 51.7 MB, which will enable you to register and play poker on the PokerStars platform. To uninstall PokerStars use the Windows uninstaller: click Start > Control Panel and then select Add or Remove programs > Select PokerStars and click Uninstall or Remove.

Copyright (c) PokerSchoolOnline.com. All rights reserved, Rational Group, Douglas Bay Complex, King Edward Road, Onchan, Isle of Man, IM3 1DZ. You can email us on support@pokerschoolonline.com