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10NL 6 Max Advice on leak please - Sun Nov 04, 2012, 03:19 AM
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Particular leak of mine. Realised I've gotten crushed many times on monotonous board.



This hand villain was playing 26/14 over 66 hands.

I tend to overvalue overpairs and 2 pairs on monotonous boards. I know this is a general question, but how do you proceed with a perceived strong hand on a monotonous draw heavy board? I always feel that they raise me on a draw, difficult to lay down a strong made hand

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Sun Nov 04, 2012, 02:42 PM
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Hey awesome

Well there are a few things we can do on these dull and boring boards, also known as monotone boards . One is that we need to redefine a 'strong made hand' and look at it through the prism of equity.


Board: Ks Js 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.899% 49.90% 00.00% 494 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 50.101% 50.10% 00.00% 496 0.00 { KdQs }

Whose hand is made in this situation? Does it matter who is made and who is drawing if all the money goes in on the flop? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't.

So this is just comparing dry aces to tp2k with a flush draw. Against made flushes dry aces is drawing dead for all intents and purposes. Against a set it is doing very poorly.

In short there are a ton of hands that can crush our hand on this board and some hands that we can flip against. We don't crush anything that wants to get the money in on this flop. So we should try to avoid getting all the money in on this flop!

I would call the check-raise with an eye towards folding a future street. Letting draws get there on occasion is the price we are going to have to pay to avoid a) getting all the money in against a superior range b) playing dry aces in a precarious situation. Not all flops were intended for you to play your aces strong and not all flops were intended for you to win with aces .

Consequently I don't mind betting for value and protection as we did, but I do very much mind three-betting all-in over the min check-raise.

It is also worth noting in this hand how many people saw the flop. The more people who see a flop of this kind, the more likely it is that someone has one of those 'flipping' or 'crushing' hands ready to crack our aces and take our stack. So you should be even more conservative the times the flop is seen 3 or 4 way.

Like I said being conservative will let our opponent see cards sometimes that we wouldn't want him to. Its tough bananas though because the alternatives are even worse
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 11:33 PM
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Thanks Gareth for the detailed analysis. Things I particularly picked out are:

1) Use Pokerstove! Equity of an overpair is not that high on monotonous board

2)"Not all flops were intended for you to play your aces strong and not all flops were intended for you to win with aces"

Will keep that in mind when playing future similar flop textures
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2012, 12:46 PM
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sounds great to me awesome
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2012, 10:18 PM
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Yea Gareth, I also read up about playing AA on Super Systems. Like how Doyle will play AA very cautiously on monotonous board. If he has the nut flush draw, he'll play it because he knows where the nuts are.

If not, he'll almost give it up immediately if there's more than 1 player behind him because anyone could have made the flush already. Also, the players could easily out draw by the turn and river. We should avoid getting in all the money into the pot when we're either not crushing villains or we're almost drawing dead.

Hard to lay Aces down but sometimes it's the necessary thing to do
 

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