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TommyGun369 Bankroll Builder - Sun Nov 04, 2012, 04:47 PM
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Hi there!

I just became a member of the online poker school a few days ago and since then I have completed 2 freeroll poker school tournaments. I cashed in the second one with $0.01. I hope I am still eligible for the bankroll builder promotion though. If not please take that cent off me I never really wanted it

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Tom
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Hi TommyGun369,

You are eligible for the Bank Roll Builder promo!

The next thing that you will need to do is to attend one of the 'Getting Started With Pokerstars' live training sessions. Please let me know after you have attended this session.

Also, you can be practicing on the play money NL ring tables and please post a hand that you were not sure about, using the hand replayer. Here's a short video on how to use the Hand Replayer


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right laydown? - Mon Nov 05, 2012, 11:09 AM
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That's great!

I have got a hand that i would like to discuss with you. It is play money chips 100/200 blinds table



The first thing i have to mention is that it was only the 9th hand I had played at the table and so I only had limited knowledge of the play of my opponents. However, from what I had witnessed in the 8 hands i could tell they were all typical loose passive players who were obviously not very skilled in poker.

My first mistake therefore was that i did not bet more with my kings. The reason for that was that I got dealed 10s the game before, raised only 3x blind and surprisingly had no callers, so i guess i just got scared that i would not milk any chips from them with my cowboys Needless to say, i got 3 callers this time which is not a perferct situation either. The flop was not a perfect one but i still thought that i would raise, or reraise a single bet to see what i am up against. However, i was not really prepared for a raise and reraise in front of me. Although it was only a very small bet and a minimum reraise i decided to fold my kings. This decision turned out to be a good one but immediately after the hand i thought to myself that i should have called the 800 and see what happens on the turn. It was, after all a ridiculously small amount of chips and i think that against those opponents it was a mistake to fold. On the turn i would have a much easier decision to make the right laydown. What is your opinion on that?

Thank you very much for your time.

Tom
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 01:34 PM
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Hi Tom!

You may want to try playing the full ring tables, as when you are able to earn a buy-in with this promotion, they will ONLY be able to be used at full ring tables and not for 6-max or any other format. If you do play the other tables with money from a buy-in, you will be ineligible from any further buy-ins through this promotion.

One thing that I always try to do with my bets is to keep them standard. I do NOT want to bet more with better hands and less with speculative hands, as this basically turns my cards over and tells the opps what I have. Bet size changes are the largest tells that players can have online and is something that all knowledgable players look for.
By making the same standard bets regardless of what I'm holding, the opp doesn't have a clue whether I have AA, 77, 22, AK, JT, 45s or even total trash as a steal.

With KK here, I want to use my standard bet size, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With two limpers, I will raise to 5BB or 1000.

The flop brings and underpair. On the flop or after, I also want to be making standard bets.. but.. now they will be based on the size of the pot, not the size of the blinds and my standard bet will be 1/2 the size of the pot (which I can raise up to a pot-size bet depending on the board texture and how many opponents are in the hand with me).
The first opp makes an abnormally small bet (8.5% of the pot) and the next opp min raises, which is still an abnormally small bet.
Since I'm normally betting 1/2 pot here, I'm raising to 1/2 the size of the new pot and will bet 2300. The reaction that I get from the opps here will give me the information that I need to know about their hand. If they fold, I had the best hand and will win. If they call or raise, then they could easily have a Q and I will not put another chip into the pot unless I improve my hand on the turn or river.
I want to put this raise in, as since the opp's bets are abnormally small, I could easily have the best hand still and I do not want to take a chance on mucking a monster hand unless I'm sure that I'm behind.

I would however, be making a note on the villain that won the hand for future reference, as Q4o should not be calling a preflop raise from any position at the table.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 02:30 PM
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Thank you!

I will focus on full ring tables from now on.
Your suggestions make perfect sense and I will do my best to stick to them.

I also just finished the 'Getting Started With Pokerstars' live training sessions so I am waiting for more instructions.

Tom
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 02:40 PM
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Hi TommyGun369!

Now we want to get you playing on the real money tables. Next up, and spend some time on this one , study the Poker Basic Course and take the basic assessment quiz at the end of that course.

Once you have passed this quiz, please let us know and your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours of passing it. Remember you can earn up to a total of $8 with this promotion.

Use this first buy-in to then play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables only on PokerStars. Post back here when you get your first buy-in and start playing these games and we'll continue on from there.

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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 03:12 PM
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The 'Poker Basics' quiz passed!

Ready to proceed
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Hi TommyGun369!

Congrats on passing the quiz. Your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours. Remember you can earn up to a total of $8 with this promotion.

Use this first buy-in to then only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Don't worry if you lose this first buy-in as you will be able to earn another buy-in should this happen.

Use all that you have learned so far to try some real money games (1/2 cent tables). Post any hands that you have difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze them for you.

Also, please attend the 'Bet Sizing' live training session. This session can be found daily in the Live Training section.

Please let me know when you receive the buy-in and attend the training session.

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Tue Nov 06, 2012, 05:39 PM
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Live session attended. $2 received.

Should I go ahead and start playing full ring 1/2 cent cash games now?

Tom
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Hi Tom!

Yes, please use this at the 1/2 cent full ring tables only. Please then post any hands that you had a problem with or the hand that you lost the buy-in with.

Good luck at the tables.

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Wed Nov 07, 2012, 12:19 PM
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Hello again,

This hand is from a freeroll PokerSchool Open League tournament. I know, not for a cash game, but if you can find time to respond I would appreciate it very much. The hand is not exactly special in any way but this happenes to me a lot and I just keep wondering...



In a normal cash game I would not regret anything. Sh** happens. In tournaments, however, the situation is a bit different and this cost me a lot. In this situation i knew he has AA,KK,AK maybe even QQ but not worse. So my question is this:
Would it make any sense to just call his 3 bet when i knew it is going to be heads up? Reasons for this:
-if there is no ace on the flop i can happily go all in because i am ahead of everything (except for AA of course but i find it impossible to get away from KK vs AA heads up anyway)
-if there is an ace i can still raise and see what he does. If he goes all in there is a big chance he has AK or AA so i can get away from the hand and protect my stack (which in this structure is just way more important than in normal MT tournaments). he would have to be crazy to bluff in this spot right? (at least is has never happened to me yet)

Does it make any sense or do i just go all in every time and rely on the statistical advantage to help me out?

Thank you,

Tom
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2012, 02:13 PM
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Hi Tom!

We're always willing to help ANY of the members with hands. In the future, if you you have a tournament hand that you would like us to look at, please start a thread for it in the NLHE Tournament Hand Analysis section. There are also hand analysis sections for NLHE Cash hands, limit hold'em and also for other games. We'd also request with any that you want to post, to please keep it to one hand per thread, so that we can keep the discussion about it on topic.

This is a great example of a hand that I would play totally differently depending on whether it was a cash tourney or a league game. In either, I'm going to make a standard open-raise, which for me at this blind level is to 2.2BB+1BB for each limper. I start a tourney at 3BB+1BB for each limper, lower it to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper at the 100/200 blind level, then lower it again to 2.2BB+1BB for each limper at 1k/2k. I don't use a min raise, as I don't want to give a bunch of opps the correct pot odds to draw at me.

If this was a cash tourney, then when the opp raises to 3X my bet (15k), I'm going to 4-bet with KK here and I would normally size this bet at least at 3X their bet (45k), however, since this clearly pot commits me, I'm going to 4-bet shove. I don't want to let them see an A on the flop if they have Ax, without paying the maximum.

BUT, this is a league game. In a league game, the one and only thing that I'm concerned about is obtaining the most league points that I possibly can, by lasting as long as possible. Due to this, if the opp raises my std opening raise, I'm going to flat here. I want to see as many cards as possible without being all-in... to see that there is not an A or some other combination of cards that can beat me.
If an A does not hit the flop, then I will make my standard c-bet of 1/2 the size of the pot. If they shove over me, I'm calling.
If there is an A on the flop, then much more often than not, my KK is not going to be good here, so even though it pains me to do so, I'm going to check/fold (unless the opp makes an abnormally small bet, in which case I'd call).

With this being an open league game, most opps could always have any 2 cards against me, especially Ax or suited cards. Don't ever underestimate this happening. Also, the later in the month that it is, if a situation like this happens early in a tourney, then there will be more and more of a point penalty for an early exit, which would make me lean more and more toward a muck if there is any possible combination out there that can beat me. Late in the month in a league game, I do not want to leave anything to chance if I do not have to... it'll only get a player into trouble (trust me, I learned it the hard way).

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Nov 08, 2012, 03:45 PM
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Thank you again!

I will keep that in mind and leave this thread to my Bankroll Builder related posts only. By the way what happens now? Do i just keep playing until i go bankrupt some day?
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2012, 04:47 PM
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Hi Tom!

Yes, please keep playing with the buy-in.

It's time to now attend the Cash Basics live training session.

Also, study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

Once you've passed the quiz and attended the live training session, post back here and we'll continue on.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:26 AM
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Hi!

Cash Game course completed, live session attended and quiz successfully passed.

I have to say that it works! I have only played 420 hands so far but I can already feel that I am getting better. Thanks to your advice and all the courses available here I have been able to multiply my first buy-in into $8.4 which is much better than I expected. So, unless I start to do really stupid things I hope I will not have to post here a hand I lost my buy in with which is just great!

Thank you again,
I am looking forward to your reply

Tom
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Hi Tom!

That is really great to hear.

Congrats on passing the course. The next buy-in will be credited to your account within the next 24 hours. Remember to use the information learned in the course and training sessions when you use this buy-in to play the 1/2 cent full ring tables ONLY.
Playing any other type of format will prevent you from being able to receive any additional buy-ins from this promotion.

Good luck at the tables and please let us know what happens while playing, especially if there are any hands that you have problems with or lose the buy-in with.

Also, earning 10VPP's after receiving this buy-in will allow you to unlock the last two buy-ins. Good luck hope that you are able to unlock them this way!

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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Hi John,

10 VPPs earned howe do i unlock the remaining 2 buy-ins?

Tom
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 PM
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Hi Tom!

That's great! It can take 48-72 hours for it to register for us in the system. Please give it a couple days and please let us know if you do or do not receive it.

Thanks!

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