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Full Ring NL2 , Overplayed trips ? - Mon Nov 05, 2012, 07:28 AM
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Hello-
Opponent is loose with VPIP/PFR/WTSD = 36/5/25 over 55 hands.
I thought his limping range is something like 22+,K8+, Q9+, A2+ and at flop i put him on a King or maybe AT. In order to protect against possible flushes and straights at the river, decided to shove at turn. What is the problem here?





In general, i find myself taking many poor all-in decisions. I am probably influenced by fish who call an overbet with TP, gutshots, flush draws etc. , when i have, for example, an overpair. Should i take some seconds to examine the stats of the villain or there is something more you can advice me?
Thanks in advance!

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Mon Nov 05, 2012, 11:32 AM
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Hi 3rev,

His line looks very strong and for an opponent who is passive, I think we are generally beat when he min-raises the turn (a fish sign of a big hand). What qualifies as a big hand here that we are actually beating? If we say trips or better, then realistically we're beating T7s, T8s, T9 at best... we're losing to QT, KT, AT, KK, 66. A loose-aggressive opponent we'd be in better shape against.. they might have weaker tens in their range, as well as a lot of Kx combos, in particular KdXd which they might overplay on the turn. But a passive player really doesn't do this, he would just call along with Kx. Once you eliminate those from his range, we're in bad shape.

I think the best advice is to continue working on ranging, and using the info at hand to narrow ranges. In this case you suggest you put him on a king, which is fine on the flop action, but when a player who is inherently passive takes a very strong aggressive action on the turn betting round, I think we have to take kings out of his range at this point and re-evaluate the strength of our hand relative to his newly revised range.


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Wed Nov 07, 2012, 07:59 AM
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Interesting hand 3revos!

Question to Dave:
Do you recommend folding to the turn min-raise?
(assuming we had recognized it as a sign of a very strong hand)

Thanks

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Wed Nov 07, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Yeah, it's close, but I think it's a fold on the turn (only against a passive fish like this, who is taking this line). Kind of a unique circumstance here. I think a hand like AK would be an easy fold here, and yet for a passive fish when they take this line their value range is basically all monsters, and JT isn't really ahead of any of that either. The only difference is that JT has outs against 66, AT, and QT.


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