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Using talk to stack someone off later on. - Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:58 AM
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Since: Dec 2010
Posts: 122
I was playing zoom NL2 6-max. I'll just tell the story


hand encounter 1: (I'll post full details of hands all on bottom)

It came down AKo vs AKs. Which I won. My first lucky won hand that session
(Was already down 4-5buyins, when having my money in good every time.)

Hand encounter 2:
I made a note on him he is capable of overshoving AKo preflop.
I raised from button or CO KJo. And He was on the button and shoved on me. Again an oevrshove, for some reason I felt he was really weak this time. Maybe cause he has a bounty on my back or whatever. But I can't make the call, but I can rub it in his eyes, as if he's bluffing he is most definatly paying attention to that table.

So I wrote:
"Shoving AKo again?"
He replied: with the fish icon <'))><
"Haha, sure thing bra"
And said something cheezy like"Says the guy with no top up"

These are all indicators I can abuse this in later meetings. He'll definatly remember me and have a bounty on me.
(PS: By all means I did not want to be unmannered, just 'friendly' talk to make him tilt more at me.)

Hand encounter 3:
He opened UTG+1 with minraise. Here he had 400BB's or something and I had him covered.
I call A2s in SB and we are headsup in the pot.
I only called cause we are so deep and he has a bounty on me.
K85 of clubs coming! I had A2c.
I checked cause i felt he would bet it 90% of the time. And came in for a big reraise, which he called.
The pot was 0.79$. We are still so deep so I think a second and bet 1$ he instant calls.
The turn and river are bricks. no draws came in or full houses.
The pot is 2.75 or something. He had about 7$ behind. I knew he had a piece of the board or had a flushdraw that missed. Either way he's not gonna call missing his flushdraw. So I decided to valueshove the river making it look the nuts or bluf and wrote:
"You can't call anyways", so he did call me down with top pair mid kicker...

He instantly ragequited, and I look forward to stacking him off again.


Here are the 2 hands in full:


Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Sentras ($2.27 in chips)
Seat 2: yukon Ronald ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Mrkvatko ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ciocaa ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 5: Pasha_Glyk ($3.37 in chips)
Seat 6: COSTER2012 ($1.77 in chips)
yukon Ronald: posts small blind $0.01
Mrkvatko: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sentras [Ks As]
ciocaa: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Pasha_Glyk: calls $0.06
COSTER2012: folds
Sentras: raises $0.22 to $0.28
yukon Ronald: folds
Mrkvatko: folds
ciocaa: folds
Pasha_Glyk: raises $3.09 to $3.37 and is all-in
Sentras: calls $1.99 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.10) returned to Pasha_Glyk
*** FLOP *** [9s 5s 4c]
*** TURN *** [9s 5s 4c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [9s 5s 4c 3s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pasha_Glyk: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Threes)
Sentras: shows [Ks As] (a flush, Ace high)
Sentras collected $4.47 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.63 | Rake $0.16
Board [9s 5s 4c 3s 3c]
Seat 1: Sentras (button) showed [Ks As] and won ($4.47) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: yukon Ronald (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Mrkvatko (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ciocaa folded before Flop
Seat 5: Pasha_Glyk showed [Kh Ad] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: COSTER2012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DarkGin ($2.16 in chips)
Seat 2: Sentras ($15.12 in chips)
Seat 3: 52mirror ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: Pasha_Glyk ($8.27 in chips)
Seat 5: r4geee ($2.18 in chips)
Seat 6: kovy52 ($1.08 in chips)
Sentras: posts small blind $0.01
52mirror: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sentras [Ac 2c]
Pasha_Glyk: raises $0.02 to $0.04
r4geee: folds
kovy52: folds
DarkGin: folds
Sentras: calls $0.03
52mirror: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 5c Kc]
Sentras: checks
Pasha_Glyk: bets $0.06
Sentras: raises $0.26 to $0.32
Pasha_Glyk: calls $0.26
*** TURN *** [8c 5c Kc] [Js]
Sentras: bets $1
Pasha_Glyk: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [8c 5c Kc Js] [4h]
Sentras: bets $13.76 and is all-in
Sentras said, "you can't call anyways"
Pasha_Glyk: calls $6.91 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6.85) returned to Sentras
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sentras: shows [Ac 2c] (a flush, Ace high)
Pasha_Glyk: shows [Kh Tc] (a pair of Kings)
Sentras collected $16.26 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.56 | Rake $0.30
Board [8c 5c Kc Js 4h]
Seat 1: DarkGin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Sentras (small blind) showed [Ac 2c] and won ($16.26) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: 52mirror (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Pasha_Glyk showed [Kh Tc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: r4geee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kovy52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:57 AM
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Since: Nov 2007
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I would say that this is pretty close to an angle shot; it is clearly berating an opponent to manipulate them.

Technically this may be within the scope of the rules but personally I think it is outside the spirit of the game to exploit your opponent with cheap talk.

Cheers,

TC
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:04 PM
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Since: Nov 2012
Posts: 114
He told him he has a read on him and then said he can't call. I don't think that's an angle shot. If someone tilts over that it's more of a reflection on them than anyone else.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:36 AM
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Since: Dec 2010
Posts: 122
I have been concidering whether I should share this with you.
But keep in mind and everyone that knows me or heard me knows, I'm a very mannered player and proceed everything that way.

In this specific case, yes I said some more unpleasant sentences towards him after he called me a fish. But the only thing conciderable rude is: Haha Says the guy with no top up.

The You can't call anyways is a mindgame. And has nothing to do with manners. Its like live poker. I say nothing about the hand. You could compare it with Daniel Negreaunu's move live.

"I think you have kings or Aces" he said aloud, and reraised him having nothing. Just by that talk the guy with KK's got scared and folded.

Same concept here, I talk him into a call because I made a sick bet 3times the pot. Just to be called by his weak top kicker. But if more people find this inappropriate, please do explain. I think it has nothing to do with it.
 

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