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10NL Zoom Turn and River line - Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:01 AM
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After this hand, Villain 6 was 30/26 with 28 hands, AF: 1.5. No stats on him post flop. First heads-up pot with him.



Quite a fundamental question, not too confident with my Zoom post-flop game somehow

On the river what line should we take because the third club appeared? Bet-fold, bet-shove, check-call, check-raise? Is there any default one you would recommend on Zoom with no read on Villain?

This hand I check-raised. But after evaluation, I feel that bet-fold is the best, because we don't know if Villain will bet. If he doesn't, we're missing value. If he raises our bet, most of the time he would have hit the flush. Still we're not sure if they will raise us with 2 pairs or even TPTK.

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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:42 PM
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Hi TANW,

I agree, don't like the check-raise either on the river. We're letting a hand like JT off the hook, that's the biggest reason, his strong 1 pair hands can take a free showdown and we lose a ton of value there. I definitely prefer betting again. Bet-fold in most spots is fine. If we have a villain who is super aggressive on the river and is capable of both sometimes bluffing and value raising 2 pair here, then I'd bet/call. Against such a villain I might even make a smaller river bet size that looks like a blocking bet, to induce more spazz's. Against most readless randoms I think just value bet like $2.50 and fold to a jam is probably optimal. And here in a very limited read his AF (this is a post flop stat btw) is 1.5, not terribly aggressive, so while his loose preflop action can make a bunch of 2 pairs here I'm not convinced he'd raise those, so bet/fold is probably best.


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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:13 PM
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Ok glad to hear that. Thanks I guess when we're raised we're beat most of the time. The actual hand after I check/raised, he jammed and I called. LOL bad play by me. Flipped over the nut flush A9s.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:29 AM
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Check call not in your line of thinking?

In zoom, players don't chase, usually if you see a river your up against a strong hand.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
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Check call not in your line of thinking?
I think we lose too much value check/calling as his range includes a lot of Jx hands with which somewhat passive post flop guy will call us but check it down if we check. Check/call is a nice line to induce bluffs, but this isn't a spot where the villain can really be bluffing the river much.
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In zoom, players don't chase, usually if you see a river your up against a strong hand.
Gross generalizations like this will lead you to making a lot of mistakes imo. Fish are still fish, even in zoom.


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Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Thanks Dave, I haven't played much NL cash or Zoom so my reply was really a question for an answer. I definitely see the line of thinking here and my game has improved with your answer.
 

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