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$1.10 MTT Post-bubble AQs v Shorter Stack - Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:41 AM
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The bubble burst 2 hands previously and I expect some players to loosen up a bit and be more aggressive with shorter stacks especially willing to get in.

I call a preflop raise from a shorter stack who is putting a third of their stack in to make a just over min raise. I have AQs in position in the cut-off and with the button calling too we have a 3-way pot.

I miss the flop and face an all-in bet of less-than half pot - which could be anything or nothing. If I call it is 3K, into 10K with the button, who has me covered, still to act.

Looks a bit gross now - I think there are a few potential mistakes, (not 3-betting preflop could be one already) not sure if I made the worst one or not.



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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:17 PM
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Hey EdinFreeMan

The way we could of fixed everything in this hand would be to of re raised pre flop.

With villain having only 6 bb's we want to be 3betting to isolate him 100% of the time, when we just call we induce other players to get involved which is what happened here. By re raising pre flop we will get rid of small pairs and most broadway hands but by only calling we keep all these hands in, which is obviously not good for us.

If we had a hand like QQ+ then I think flat calling the raise is ok because we want extra action, but with AQ this is a spot where we must re raise all of the time.

As played I would call villain's post flop shove with the plan of folding if the button was to raise.

Cheers, Chris.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:17 PM
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Thanks Chris -

I just looked back at this, (and the few previous hands - the opp had open raised/folded preflop - a similar open amount - folded to a strong reraise the previous hand, so don't know if that made me try to keep them in here), irrespective it was the wrong move to just call preflop with the button/blinds behind.

I did call on the flop - the button folded - and I was crushed anyhow. But at least I had them covered and lived to fight on until my next mistake..




this and my exit hand were my two big obvious mistakes - and I kind of half got away from this one, (in that the bigger stacks didn't come along)

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:25 PM
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Ed I'm curious...had villain 2 been shoving prior to this hand short-stacked with worse?

Reason I ask is because it just looks like such an obvious play at the micro levels,being that one sees it sooooo many times...less than 10BB stack and villain opens from EP with anything less than a shove equals AA or KK. It's just something I used to see so often that you almost can predict with near certainty that they're slow playing a premium hand and trying to induce someone to ship over them.

With that read,which if you look for it is an obvious one and if you see someone do it once you can pretty much expect it to be a standard play by them,then I just fold pre-flop. The hand is virtually naked after all.

If they hadn't been doing that then we're more in limbo here as to what we may be up against...could still have us crushed yes,but could be a weak player not committed to a hand,lot of things. In that spot with the effective stack sizes I would look to raise the opening shortie enough to get them all-in.

But as I said,were they already raising all-in short prior to this hand and we've seen them show worse,even once,then I would have had the "effer has AA/KK..." alarm screaming in my head.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Moxie Pip View Post
Ed I'm curious...had villain 2 been shoving prior to this hand short-stacked with worse?

Reason I ask is because it just looks like such an obvious play at the micro levels,being that one sees it sooooo many times...less than 10BB stack and villain opens from EP with anything less than a shove equals AA or KK. It's just something I used to see so often that you almost can predict with near certainty that they're slow playing a premium hand and trying to induce someone to ship over them.

With that read,which if you look for it is an obvious one and if you see someone do it once you can pretty much expect it to be a standard play by them,then I just fold pre-flop. The hand is virtually naked after all.

If they hadn't been doing that then we're more in limbo here as to what we may be up against...could still have us crushed yes,but could be a weak player not committed to a hand,lot of things. In that spot with the effective stack sizes I would look to raise the opening shortie enough to get them all-in.

But as I said,were they already raising all-in short prior to this hand and we've seen them show worse,even once,then I would have had the "effer has AA/KK..." alarm screaming in my head.

I know what you mean Moxie - I am very aware of either the limp or especially the min raise of monsters in tournaments at low levels (I got caught myself this week min raising KK utg near the FT bubble in a UKIPT Div 2 Freeroll) - but this player had been one of the tighter players at the table for the time I saw them and had only ever raised roughly about 2 to 2. for any open raise. I will go try find the previous hand to this and post it - as I recall they raised a similar amount and then folded to my 3-bet. It was the first or second hand after the bubble and I had the monster - but it made me suspicious of their subsequent raise this hand.

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:08 PM
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I think this hand was first one after bubble and just before the one above -



maybe read too much into this, but thought maybe post-bubble they were a bit raise happy - and getting more committed to it each time they did. Obviously they didn't see my hand here and I didn't see theirs - so who know, maybe we both just had good value hands both times

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