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Bankroll Builder - Wed Dec 05, 2012, 03:37 PM
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Just signed up to pokerschool online, never deposited to pokerstars before. Can someone get me started please?
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Wed Dec 05, 2012, 05:08 PM
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Just signed up to pokerschool online, never deposited to pokerstars before. Can someone get me started please?
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>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012, 06:49 AM
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Just signed up to pokerschool online, never deposited to pokerstars before. Can someone get me started please?
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Hi,

You are eligible for the Bank Roll Builder promo!

The next thing that you will need to do is to attend one of the 'Getting Started With Pokerstars' live training sessions.

These sessions can be found daily in the Live Training section.

Please let me know after you have attended this session.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012, 10:52 PM
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OK, I attended most of the classes with Dave TheLangolier.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 06:21 AM
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OK, I attended most of the classes with Dave TheLangolier.

Hi effendor,

Just the 'Getting Started' for now, the other sessions come later in the promotion.

Next up play on the 'Play Money' full-ring tables only (9-handed tables and make sure there aren't too many empty seats)

Then post a hand that you were not sure about or had difficulty with using the hand replayer. Here is a video tutorial on how to use the hand replayer.


Once you post your hand we will review it for you and continue on from there.

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Hand for analysis Bankroll Builder - Fri Dec 07, 2012, 05:11 PM
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I'd like to know if I should have flat folded preflop, raised, etc. What should I have done differently? Lost all my play chips in one hand
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Sat Dec 08, 2012, 01:39 PM
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Hi effendor!

With KJo from the cutoff, I'm going to make a standard raise, which for me is to 3BB+1BB for each limper on a cash table. With 2 limpers, I'll raise to 250. If villain 3 raises me (their raise should be to 3X my bet or 750) then it will be an easy fold with KJ. The way it was played, when there is a raise and a call after me, I'm going to fold KJ here everytime, as someone most likely has an A or a pair and is ahead of me.

The flop gives me top pair/2nd kicker. When it folds to me, I'm going to make a value bet. I would normally bet 2/3 pot (1066) due to a possible OESD and two opps, BUT, this is well over 1/3 of my stack, so I'm pot committed. Due to this, I'm shoving the flop.
I don't want to bet less than 2/3 pot, because if the opps do call, they will be getting the correct odds to call to try to outdraw me.

Unfortunately, the opp does outdraw me, but I could have avoided this by raising preflop, then folding to a raise by villain 3.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Whats next? - Sat Dec 08, 2012, 02:38 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, what do I do next in the Bankroll Builder promo?
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2012, 07:32 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, what do I do next in the Bankroll Builder promo?
Hi effendor,

Now we want to get you playing on the real money tables. Next up, and spend some time on this one , study the Poker Basic Course and take the basic assessment quiz at the end of that course.

Once you have passed this quiz your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours of passing it. Remember you can earn up to a total of $8 with this promotion.

Use this first buy-in to then only play the 1/2 cent fullring real money tables only on PokerStars. Post back here when you pass the quiz, get your first buy-in and start playing these games and we'll continue on from there.

When you have passed the Poker Basic quiz please let us know and we can continue on from there.

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Passed the quiz - Sat Dec 08, 2012, 07:44 PM
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Um, I passed the quiz when I first signed up...... It's like the most noticible icon on the home page.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2012, 05:42 AM
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I passed the quiz
Hi effendor,

You've passed the basics quiz, congrats on that!

Your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours.

Use this first buy-in to then play ONLY the 1/2 cent full ring real money tables only on PokerStars. Playing any other game format will disqualify you from being able to obtain further buy-ins through this promotion.

Post back here when you get your first buy-in and start playing these games, along with a hand that you had problems, or that cost you money, while playing with this buy-in.

Also, please attend an 'Bet Sizing' live training session. This should help too.

Good luck!

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Could I have won more? - Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Just wondering if I played the hand correctly, or if I should have bet less on the flop. Haven't lost any money yet .....
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:17 PM
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Just wondering if I played the hand correctly, or if I should have bet less on the flop. Haven't lost any money yet .....
Thanks for posting this hand. I'll ask one of the Hand Analysers to look at it for you and offer some feedback.

Once he does this we can continue on.

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Losing hand - Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:33 PM
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lost a load of money on this hand, about 10 mins after last post.
 
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Forgotten me? - Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:10 PM
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I submitted hands for analysis last Wednesday, just wondering if you'd forgotten about me?
 
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Is there anybody out there? - Tue Jan 08, 2013, 12:24 PM
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I posted hands for analysis on 12/12/12. I can't continue in the Bankroll builder until somebody responds.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2013, 08:39 PM
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I posted hands for analysis on 12/12/12. I can't continue in the Bankroll builder until somebody responds.
Apologies about that.

I will ask one of the hand analysers to look at this for you and he will respond within the next 24-hours.

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Wed Jan 09, 2013, 04:23 PM
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lost a load of money on this hand, about 10 mins after last post.
Hi effendor

I apologize for this taking so long! Normally it your hands should be reviewed in a day.

AKo is a strong starting hand. Raising preflop was the right thing to do. The standard bet size is 3bb plus 1bb for each. I would have raised to 10 cents, but you are out of position and have a strong hand so 12 cents is fine in this spot.

You flop top pair on a pretty dry board. You raised preflop so this is a great spot to c-bet. The the recommended bet size on a dry board is half the pot, or 13 cents. You bet pretty large making it 22. This creates a situation where you very often get value owned. This means that all the hands you are beating will fold to such a large raise. The only hands that will call it are the ones beating you. When the villain calls your large raise you need to start thinking about pot control rather than getting more money in.

The turn doesn't seem to have helped anyone. A read would help me decide what to do here. Against tight opponents, I would check and reevaluate after seeing what the villain does. Against loose opponents I would fire another bet as you did, but I would make is small, about 1/3 the pot. You bet too large again firing 60 cents into a 70 cent pot. Again this is increasing the likelyhood that you will get value owned. If the villain has QQ or KK we want to keep them in the hand, not force them to fold.

The river doesnt help you. I would recommend check folding the hand. The villain isn't going away and he seems to have us beat. Our hand is just not strong enough to move all in with.

This spot is something most beginners struggle with. You can learn an important lesson here. Hands like AK, QQ, KK and AA are great starting hands, but we always need to reassess after the flop. Top pair top kicker as you had, or an overpair with big pairs is always worth betting the flop with. However, if you keep getting called, you are probably beat by two pair or a set. Remember, you only have a pair. Learning to minimize your losses in these spots is a very important lesson.

So, work on not overplaying one pair hands on the turn and river (even if it is AA). And, work on your bet sizing.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013, 04:26 PM
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Next Step

The next thing that you will need to do is to attend one of the 'Bet Sizing' live training sessions.

These sessions can be found daily in the Live Training section.

Please let me know after you have attended this session.

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Wed Jan 09, 2013, 04:30 PM
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Just wondering if I played the hand correctly, or if I should have bet less on the flop. Haven't lost any money yet .....
Hi again effendor

This is the flip side of the value owning concept. You have the best starting hand in poker and the flop is pretty dry. I recommend betting half the pot here. Hopefully the villain has a K and continues. By making a nearly pot sized bet, the villain will most likely fold all the hands you are beating. We want to build the pot to make more money, but we don't want to bet so much that all the hands we are beating fold.

I hope this makes sense

PS: You are aggressive and that is always good. Just keep working on learning to apply it in the best manner.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 

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