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Sheer luck? - Fri Dec 07, 2012, 03:34 PM
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Hello

So, in the Daily Games, one of the play-money table, I had this:



My feel is that I was simply lucky. Should I have seen his hand and folded? What would you do?

Thank you
Az
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 04:26 PM
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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 05:02 PM
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The other guy slowplayed aces and gave you a free chance to draw out on him and then paid for it. How could you think you played this badly?
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 05:13 PM
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Hi Az,

Nice to see you back in the Daily Game again today.

Preflop call is ok, there's enough money behind to set mine profitably I think. Post flop the only thing I would change is the turn action, when you bet 70 and he min-raises you to 140, with the stack size you have left behind I think you should just shove right there. Min-reraising to 210 will often let him off the hook as an overpair to the board (which seems likely when he min-raises you) can catch on to what's happening and just call, thus not doubling you up completely. If you just shove the rest he's calling it off though and you double for sure, so that's the line I'd take. Hope that makes sense.


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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 11:08 PM
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Hi Az,

Nice to see you back in the Daily Game again today.

Preflop call is ok, there's enough money behind to set mine profitably I think. Post flop the only thing I would change is the turn action, when you bet 70 and he min-raises you to 140, with the stack size you have left behind I think you should just shove right there. Min-reraising to 210 will often let him off the hook as an overpair to the board (which seems likely when he min-raises you) can catch on to what's happening and just call, thus not doubling you up completely. If you just shove the rest he's calling it off though and you double for sure, so that's the line I'd take. Hope that makes sense.
Why is it okay to call UTG1 4BB raise pre-flop with pocket pair of 8s? I thought that this would normally be a fold. Thanks.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2012, 11:12 PM
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I just felt I should have seen the AA coming. If I had, I would have probably folded. I guess this teaches me what happens if I let someone see just 2 more cards easily...

Thank you very much for the insight! I think when I saw the river I was caught up in not making him fold, trying to milk the cow, I guess.

Az
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2012, 07:03 AM
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Why is it okay to call UTG1 4BB raise pre-flop with pocket pair of 8s? I thought that this would normally be a fold. Thanks.
It's called set minning and it's rather profitable at microstakes. You can call a raise with PP's in the hopes of hitting a set and being paid off big. You would want both you and your opponent to have at least 20 times (Can be as low as 15if you know someone will shove or see showdown with things like a,k, T,T+ but 20x is the safer rule) the raise left in their stack before you call otherwise you aren't likely to be winning enough to make it profitable in the long run. If you miss the flop then just check fold or check behind if you get the chance.
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Why is it okay to call UTG1 4BB raise pre-flop with pocket pair of 8s? I thought that this would normally be a fold. Thanks.
Yes, basically it should be profitable to set mine here (calling strictly to flop a set). We have to call 30 and I'd like to have about 15-1 implied odds to try and flop an 8... we need to win on average $450 to make the 15-1, and I think that's a reasonable expectation here. We have 55 in the pot now with $530 behind after the call so there's a max of 19-1 to be had, and we have a villain who has opened UTG so we expect a stronger range, which means a fair bit more strong 1 pair hands post flop, which means I think the will provide stack action for our stack size fairly often.

It's absolutely not always profitable or correct to call with small and medium pairs, but in this case I believe that it is.


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