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Polarizing flop w/ overpair - Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:05 PM
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One more before i go to sleep

My thoughts throughout the hand. Maybe a little over analysed for 2nl



I know his range is strong UTG.

I decide to flat the raise and see a flop.

I have some history with the villain (who has 24/12), and he knows I c-bet often and sometimes cold call with suited connectors to balance my range.

On the flop I make my standard c-bet and get raised a fairly small amount. I thought it was very possible that he raises my flop c-bet light with some overs which I am ahead of.

Because of the small 3bet, i decide to flat and polarize my hand on the turn by shoving, trying to show the most strength (set or more) or a complete bluff.

I thought by overbetting the pot, he might hero call me with AK (or MAYBE AQ) as the line I took was a little strange.

Anyway, just wondering how my bet sizing represented my hand, and if my line could induce a weaker hand to call?

Thanks in advance,
birdayy
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:22 PM
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The line you took is really weird.

You know villain's UTG range is very strong, so presumably you called to go set-mining. You didn't flop a set, but you flopped the worst possible overpair. (Your hand is just a tad better than A9 on this flop).
You're losing to JJ-AA (all possible hands for UTG). You didn't c-bet. You DONKED into the raiser. He's never folding JJ+ here, and won't often call with AQ+ unless he has the nut flush draw. Leading here misses value.
Villain's raise screams "I can beat top pair". You should therefore fold to the flop raise (which isn't a 3-bet, btw, it's a 2-bet).

A better way to proceed is to check-call the flop. Let villain make his c-bet and then see what he does on the turn. If he bets the turn, you can fold tens, because villain has an overpair. If he checks behind on the turn, you can put him on overs that missed, and then lead the river if it's a low card.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:22 PM
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[EDIT: Double posted by mistake]
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:44 AM
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Hey birdayy

I think its important to note here that you did not continuation bet, but rather, led out into the raiser. You are right to say that his UTG range is strong, that's actually a reason to check and call in this circumstance I think because we want to make sure he keeps his bluffs in like AK/AQ/AJs and so on.

So I would start this hand with a check and a call after UTG c-bets. Then, as played on this turn I would much rather check-call then bet ourselves, if we are going to go all-in either way.

The first way, by betting, like you are worried about, might only get called by better hands and some drawing hands. If we check and call an all-in our opponent can make this play with a wider range of hands that might include some hands we have crushed.

So for example you talked about AK, I think it is much more likely we check to our opponent and they go all-in with AK as a bet than they go all-in with AK as a call after we go all-in on the turn.

Does that make sense?
 

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