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Bankroll Builder - Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:07 PM
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Hi to all at PokerSchoolonline

I recently signed up to PokerStars and have not yet made a deposit. I would like to use the Bankroll builder promotion. Am I still eligible?

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM
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Hi Ericcan007,

You are eligible for the Bank Roll Builder promo!

The next thing that you will need to do is to attend one of the 'Getting Started With Pokerstars' live training sessions. Please let me know after you have attended this session.

Also, you can be practicing on the play money NL ring tables and please post a hand that you were not sure about, using the hand replayer. Here's a short video on how to use the Hand Replayer


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Bnakroll Builder - Hand Analyser - Mon Jan 07, 2013, 05:22 PM
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Hi John

I have done the getting started course and have played on the Play money tables over Xmas. It has taken me a while to learn how to get the previous hand details in code form, hence my delay in replying, but I think I have finally figured it.

I'm interested in your view on this hand I just played with AK. Should I have folded on the River?

My opponent was playing loose aggressive and so I put him on a lower range than he had, therefore I called
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2013, 05:47 PM
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Hi Ericcan007!

That's ok. Take the time that you need.

With AK (or any other hand that I want to raise with), I'm going to make a standard opening raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With 3 limpers, I'll raise to 6BB or 60 chips. By making standard raises, the opps won't get a clue as to the strength of my hand, as I'll make the same raise with AA, 77, 33, AK, JT or a total bluff. When players bet more with a good hand and less with a marginal one, the opps are able to get a read on what type of cards they have.

I see the flop 7-ways and get a gutshot straight draw with two overcards. When it checkst to me, I'm going to check behind and hope to see a free card. My plan will be that if an opp makes a small bet, I'll call and see the turn, but if they make a large bet, I need to muck. When seat 9 bets 10 into a 710 chip pot, I will call, as I'm definitely getting the correct odds to see the turn.

The turn gives me top pair, but completes a straight and puts a second flush draw out there. When it checks to me, I'm going to make a value/blocking bet here. I'll bet 300 here and hope that I don't get raised. This will also help to define the opp's hands. When seat 9 shoves, with only top pair, I'm going to muck here as there are too many combinations of cards that can beat me.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jan 07, 2013, 05:50 PM
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Hi Ericcan007!

Now we want to get you playing on the real money tables. Next up, and spend some time on this one , study the Poker Basic Course and take the basic assessment quiz at the end of that course.

Once you have passed this quiz, please let us know and your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours of passing it and notifying us. Remember you can earn up to a total of $8 with this promotion.

Use this first buy-in to then play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables only on PokerStars. Post back here when you get your first buy-in and start playing these games and we'll continue on from there.

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Bankroll builder - Poker basics course - Wed Jan 09, 2013, 09:39 AM
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Hi John

Thanks very much for your detailed analysis of the hand I sent you. It was very useful for me. The hand replayer certainly is an amazing tool!

Regarding continuing the bankroll builder, I have already completed the Poker Basics course, and have passed the quiz at the end. Is that ok?

You mention about playing 1/2 cent NL full ring tables. Please excuse my ignorance on the jargon, but by full ring, do you mean the 9 seat tables as opposed to the 6max tables?

Thanks again for your help.

Jeremy (Ericcan007)
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2013, 12:15 PM
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Hi Ericcan007!

The full ring tables are the 9 player tables. The ones with 6 players are called 6-max tables.

Congrats on passing the quiz. Your first buy-in will be credited into your account within 24 hours. Remember you can earn up to a total of $8 with this promotion.

Use this first buy-in to then only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Don't worry if you lose this first buy-in as you will be able to earn another buy-in should this happen.

Use all that you have learned so far to try some real money games (1/2 cent tables). Post any hands that you have difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze them for you.

Also, please attend the 'Bet Sizing' live training session. This session can be found daily in the Live Training section.

Please let me know when you receive the buy-in and attend the training session.

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Bet Size Video done and 1 Hand analysis - Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:03 PM
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Hi John

I have now received the BR and have attended the bet sizing training. I have also been playing the 0.01/0.02 FR tables and have a few hands I would like you to analyse. The 1st one is attached.

My initial strategy was to blind steal thinking a K6 suited hand could hold up if I'm called. Not sure I should be playing this at this stage in my education?

having flopped a possible Flush draw, I'm planning to bet, but my opponent bets 4BB 1st, so I only called. Think this was a mistake- should have raised or folded?

My last bet was an attempt to take down the pot without showdown, as I put him on Ax, but I think it was too small to achieve this.

Basically, I think I payed this all wrong for my strategy. How should I have played the hand?

Cheers

Jeremy
 
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Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:35 AM
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Hi John

I have now received the BR and have attended the bet sizing training. I have also been playing the 0.01/0.02 FR tables and have a few hands I would like you to analyse. The 1st one is attached.

My initial strategy was to blind steal thinking a K6 suited hand could hold up if I'm called. Not sure I should be playing this at this stage in my education?

having flopped a possible Flush draw, I'm planning to bet, but my opponent bets 4BB 1st, so I only called. Think this was a mistake- should have raised or folded?

My last bet was an attempt to take down the pot without showdown, as I put him on Ax, but I think it was too small to achieve this.

Basically, I think I payed this all wrong for my strategy. How should I have played the hand?

Cheers

Jeremy
Hi Ericcan007

Interesting hand! here are my thoughts. Preflop, I suggest folding K6s here. There are two limpers in the pot. They are likely to be holding better hands than us such as pocket pairs, Ax or maybe KQ type of hands. If the pot were unopened AND the blinds were tight, then perhaps you could steal the blinds by raising. In general, I would be folding K6s pretty much every time though.

As played, if you are going to play the hand, then make a standard raise size, which would be 3bb plus 1 bb for each limper. Bet 8 rather than 6 here.

You got about the best flop you could hope for. There are two spades on the board including the A. This means you are now drawing for the nut flush. Calling the flop bet is fine. You have good enough odds to continue, but you don't have a made hand yet. So, calling, as you did, is better than raising.

The turn gives you bottom pair. The villain leads out with another small bet. He seems to like his hand. He called your preflop raise, and has bet each street since then. Any pair he has is likely to be better than yours. Since the villain only bet 6 cents, you are still getting good odds to continue. Good call.

Now, the river is a blank and the villain checks to you. You didn't get a flush. So, we cannot bet for value here. You do have a pair though. So, you can either bet as a bluff hoping the villain will fold a better hand. If he has an A this is unlikely. If he does't have an A then your bet was large enough to get him to fold I think. I would not bet more than you did on a bluff. furthermore, if he reraises you, you will have to fold. Your best option is to check the hand down. Since you have a pair, you do have some showdown value.

You played the hand ok, and your thoughts indicate that you are moving in the right direction. Keep at it

And remember to be selective with our starting hands.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Bankroll builder - Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:01 PM
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Hi all

Thanks for the analysis. I knew I should not have played the hand. I got a little carried away with blind stealing, which had been very successful for me until then.

Is there anything I should be doing for the Bankroll Builder promotion? I have done all the courses and live training you asked me to do. I have also been playing in the Daily cash game. I still have the initial $2 put on my account which has now grown to $4.

I have a couple of hands I would like you to analyse:

1) hole cards JJ, Flop JQQ, Turn Q , River A - Villian had A7s for a better full house



I know I should have bet 8c at first (3BB plus 1BB for the limper). I have the following questions on this hand:

a) I bet pot size after the flop, having flopped a full house. Was this too big given I was aiming to build the pot thinking I had the nuts?
b) I checked after a Queen on the turn. The reason for this was that the villian could have had the other Queen for quads and I felt he must have a very good hand to call my pot size bet - either a high pair or AK. If he had AA or KK he now had the best hand. If he had AK he had 7 outs. Should I have fired in a bet to try and take down the pot here?
c) Should I have folded when he bet on the River? He had checked on the Turn and then bet very small on the River, making me think hewasn't sure of his hand, and I thought my Full house may be good. I also felt I was getting good odds on my 6cents.



This second hand came very soon after the one above. I'm interested in whether you think I was right to fold my pocket queens. I put the villain on AT giving him 2 pair, but I'm wondering whether I folded too quickly still think about the hand above.

Thanks

Jeremy
 
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Bankroll Builder - Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
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Hi All

Here is the hand replayer from the 1st hand I sent in the last thread. It didn't work when I replayed it



Jeremy
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
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Hi Ericcan007!

Please keep playing with the buy-in as long as you can. If you lose it, don't worry, we'll then move onto the next step. If you can get to 10vpp's with this buy-in, we'll also move onto the next step.

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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:48 AM
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Hi Ericcan007

Interesting hands! Let's take a closer look.

First hand JJ: Yes, 8 cents preflop would have been better. Pocket pairs play best vs a single opponent. We don't want to get a string of callers here.

You flop the nuts on a board that very likely hit one of the other opponents. Normally in these spots I bet half the pot. This gives anyone chasing a flush or straight decent odds to continue. However, if I felt confident that one of the opponents would call a larger bet, then get more. It gives you more value.

The turn changes everything. Now your set has been counterfitted since there are 3 Qs showing. You are now essentially holding just a pair of Js. You are still very likely to have the best hand at this point. I wouldn't worry too much about the possibility of someone having the fourth Q. But, any K or A on the river is going to be a disaster for you. You definately want to make a solid bet here. I would suggest about 70% of the pot.

As played, 6cent bet on the river is so small compared to the pot, I think you have to pay him off. There is always a chance his is bluffing.

The main thing notice with this hand is how the third Q effects the hand, and why this makes it important to bet the turn.

Second hand QQ: Let's start preflop. Reads on the villains would help a lot here. If two tight players entered the pot, I might just call the pf raise and reevaluate on the flop. If both players were laggy, then I would 3-bet as you did. If you get called, you are going to be playing a large pot out of position.

The A on the flop is scary, however, I think I would have fired a c-bet. The A might be scary for your opps as well. If you get reraised, then you can easily fold.

As played, everyone checked the flop, then villain 8 makes a solid bet on the 3 of clubs turn. This could be a bluff since nobody bet the flop. It could be he has top pair with Ax. Or he may have a set. It is hard to say, but since he raise-called preflop, we have to assume he has some sort of hand. Ax seems likely. I don't like to risk my whole stack with "just a pair". Now we do not even have top pair. Folding is the best choice - well done!

Learning to let go of premium starting hands when it seems likely we are beat is an important lession. I'm happy to see you have learned it

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:52 AM
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Hi John and Roland

Thanks for the information and the super info on the hand analysis.

Glad to hear laying down the QQs was right. Also understand the point about the bet on the turn in the JJ hands. In these situations I have tendency to check my hand to see what the villain will do, showing weakness, and then become a bit of a calling station. Need to iron this out. Trying to play agressively without losing my stack.

Regarding the next step of the promotion, I have 12 VPPs as far as I can see and I also have 12.24 Frequent Player Points (are these the same thing?). My current bankroll is $3.46.

I also have the hand below I would like your views on. I had AKo, which is a hand I struggle to play, especially when I don't connect with the flop.


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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Hi Ericcan007!

It's time to now attend the Cash Basics live training session.

Also, study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

Once you've passed the quiz and attended the live training session, post back here and we'll continue.

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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:38 PM
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Hi John and Roland

Thanks for the information and the super info on the hand analysis.

Glad to hear laying down the QQs was right. Also understand the point about the bet on the turn in the JJ hands. In these situations I have tendency to check my hand to see what the villain will do, showing weakness, and then become a bit of a calling station. Need to iron this out. Trying to play agressively without losing my stack.

Regarding the next step of the promotion, I have 12 VPPs as far as I can see and I also have 12.24 Frequent Player Points (are these the same thing?). My current bankroll is $3.46.

I also have the hand below I would like your views on. I had AKo, which is a hand I struggle to play, especially when I don't connect with the flop.


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Hi Ericcan007

Thanks for the feedback! Im glad the analysis helped

AK is a premium starting hand, but it is not a made hand yet. So, we always need to reevaluate on each street. Raising preflop looks great. You get called by two players and miss the flop completely.

On the flop I suggest checking rather than c-betting. Firstly, c-bets work best against a single player and are considerably less successful against more than one. Furthermore, the btn has position on you. Since you missed the flop check fold.

As played, if you are going to c-bet, then make it convincing. Make a standard half pot bet rather than betting small. Small bets are easy for opponents to call and/or reraise relatively cheaply as in this case.

Folding on the turn was good. This is another example of a premium starting hand not improving on the flop. Good job letting it go

GL and have fun at the tables!

Rolnad GTX
 
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Bankroll Builder and another AK hand - Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:52 AM
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Hi John and Roland

Hope all is well with you both, and it was interesting to read your blog, John, on your experience in the Milwaukee casino.

I have now completed the cash basics course and done the Cash basics live training. I still have $3.10 on my account, and 15VPPs. What do I need to do next?

I have put in a another AK hand that I would like you to analyse. I know I should have folded this before it got to showdown, but am not sure when.




Villian 6 had just joined the table and this was her 1st hand in the BB. I therefore had no read on her.

I was UTG with AKs and raised to 0.08 (4 BB). Got 3 calls and then BB raises to 0.34. I put her on a premium hand: AA, KK, QQ, AK possibly JJ. I have pot odds of 2.5 and decide to call, thinking if I don't hit the flop, I will fold, otherwise see how the play unfolds. I think the other villains will fold and I will have position on her. Should I have folded here?

The Flop comes down A9J, and BB bets 0.50, which is less than half the pot size. My issue now, in my opinion, is that I'm beating or equal to some hands (KK, QQ, AK) but losing to AA and JJ. I don't feel she has JJ and her c-bet seems small for AA, so I decide to call. I decided not to raise as I felt she would call anything even if I went all-in. I think this is where I made my mistake, as if I wasn't prepared to raise to all-in here I should have folded. Should I have folded here?

The turn comes 8s and she bets to put me all-in. I call like a moth to a flame and it turns out she has aces. There was also a King on the river, so I would have lost to pocket Kings as well.

I know I played this hand badly, and called 3 times when I should have been folding, or at least raising if I thought my cards were good. But I'm interested in how I should play the hand when I think I have some hands beat but am losing to other hands. I have played a number of hands where I've folded thinking the villain has AA when and A is in the flop (or something similar), but it turns out I've over-estimated his hand. Is it best to assume the worst case and fold?
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Hi Ericcan007!

Congrats on passing the quiz. The next buy-in will be credited to your account within 24 hours. That's why I put in to post here when you have completed them, as I need to go into our system and do a couple things, so that the buy-in is released.

If you are able to earn 10VPP's after you receive this buy-in, the final two will be released. Please let us know if you are able to get this and if you lose the buy-in, please let us know that too and we'll move onto the next step.

Good luck at the tables.

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Hi John and Roland

Hope all is well with you both, and it was interesting to read your blog, John, on your experience in the Milwaukee casino.

I have now completed the cash basics course and done the Cash basics live training. I still have $3.10 on my account, and 15VPPs. What do I need to do next?

I have put in a another AK hand that I would like you to analyse. I know I should have folded this before it got to showdown, but am not sure when.




Villian 6 had just joined the table and this was her 1st hand in the BB. I therefore had no read on her.

I was UTG with AKs and raised to 0.08 (4 BB). Got 3 calls and then BB raises to 0.34. I put her on a premium hand: AA, KK, QQ, AK possibly JJ. I have pot odds of 2.5 and decide to call, thinking if I don't hit the flop, I will fold, otherwise see how the play unfolds. I think the other villains will fold and I will have position on her. Should I have folded here?

The Flop comes down A9J, and BB bets 0.50, which is less than half the pot size. My issue now, in my opinion, is that I'm beating or equal to some hands (KK, QQ, AK) but losing to AA and JJ. I don't feel she has JJ and her c-bet seems small for AA, so I decide to call. I decided not to raise as I felt she would call anything even if I went all-in. I think this is where I made my mistake, as if I wasn't prepared to raise to all-in here I should have folded. Should I have folded here?

The turn comes 8s and she bets to put me all-in. I call like a moth to a flame and it turns out she has aces. There was also a King on the river, so I would have lost to pocket Kings as well.

I know I played this hand badly, and called 3 times when I should have been folding, or at least raising if I thought my cards were good. But I'm interested in how I should play the hand when I think I have some hands beat but am losing to other hands. I have played a number of hands where I've folded thinking the villain has AA when and A is in the flop (or something similar), but it turns out I've over-estimated his hand. Is it best to assume the worst case and fold?
Hi Ericcan007

This is a tough spot! I read through your thoughts. I am happy to see you are recognizing the main points in this hand. That is the first step. Chosing the best action based on that information is the second step. This comes with experience, and learning. Keep working on your game and you are going to be crushing 2NL in no time

Before we look at the hand, I suggest you stick to full tables in the future. It is easier to profitably play. You can adjust the filter settings from the Holdem Lobby to only show tables with 8 players. That is what I do. There are three empty seats at this table.

Now, let's take a closer look at the hand. AK is a premium starting hand. Raising as you did is spot on and your raise size was ok. Getting a string of callers is not a good start though and the bb makes a solid 3-bet. Now we need to think about what we know. Firstly, we don't know anything about the bb since she is new to the table. If the villain is unknown, give her credit for having a real hand. Secondly, there are several players left to act after you. If you call, one of them may 4-bet. What are you going to do then? Finally, how does your hand hold up against the villain's range of JJ+? You are an underdog to all of the hands. All of these factors indicate that you should play it safe and just grudgingly fold.

As played, you got top pair top kicker which is about as good as you can hope for, but the villain leads out with a slightly less than half pot bet. Now, you need to decide not only what you want to do on this street, but on all the coming streets. It is exactly as you stated yourself. If you intend on calling bets on later streets, then it is better to take the initiative and reraise now. It will look super strong and the only hands calling you are AA and JJ with sets. If you are not willing to get all in then fold now and protect your remaining stack.

These spots are hard to get out of. I am still working on this issue with my own game. My general rule is if the situation is unclear AND I am likely to be risking all or most of my stack, then I fold top pair top kicker and even overpairs. This may be a bit nitty, but I have found that reducing my losses greatly improves my overall profit.

I hope this helps

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Bankroll Builder Question - Tue Feb 05, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Hi John/Roland

Hope all is well with you both.

Been doing ok on the tables. Currently have $5.16, 19 FPPs and 19 VPPs.

Just had a quick question. Is it ok for me to play on one of the Play money tournaments, such as the weekly PSO one, or a Freeroll such as the EPTLive freeroll today, while I am on this promotion? Or is this a no-no?

Thanks

Jeremy
 

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