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good fold or bad? - Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:48 AM
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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Here I feel the hand was lost post flop when you flat called the bet. We have two opponents and have spiked trip 6's. The call was weak and I would have chose to 3 bet here to get rid of one or both and take the pot here but at least isolate one opponent. Judging by stack sizes if the villain had called the 3 bet the turn would have been a shove. Whether he had the J or the T and even possibly an over pair such as QQ we are ahead here and this is the spot to commit him or make him fold.

 
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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
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Hi kingkong,

I sort of agree with Joker, I agree with raising but not with the reason (to take the pot there)... I think we should be raising for value as V3's action indicates he may well like the J on the turn. This could be just a jack, JT, or one of the many draws that turned which are now semi-bluffing vs. a super weak lead. If they both fold to a raise by us fine, but a lot of this range won't fold so I like going for the value here. If he peeled the flop with a hand like AJ for example he may well not fold to a raise by us, but when we flat there are a lot of scary river cards that make it harder for us to get paid by this hand... any Q, K, club, or even a 9 he might not like too much.

As played, definitely fold to the river shove, this looks like pure value and I think we are getting shown a better full house most of the time in this spot.


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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
Hi kingkong,

I sort of agree with Joker, I agree with raising but not with the reason (to take the pot there)... I think we should be raising for value as V3's action indicates he may well like the J on the turn. This could be just a jack, JT, or one of the many draws that turned which are now semi-bluffing vs. a super weak lead. If they both fold to a raise by us fine, but a lot of this range won't fold so I like going for the value here. If he peeled the flop with a hand like AJ for example he may well not fold to a raise by us, but when we flat there are a lot of scary river cards that make it harder for us to get paid by this hand... any Q, K, club, or even a 9 he might not like too much.

As played, definitely fold to the river shove, this looks like pure value and I think we are getting shown a better full house most of the time in this spot.
I only mentioned taking the pot there because vs decent and aware opponents this would be the likely result of the 3 bet. Also I said to 3 bet post flop so the J hasn't shown itself yet.


Last edited by joker41673; Thu Dec 27, 2012 at 02:20 PM..
 

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