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10NL - river decision with TP - Fri Jan 18, 2013, 06:22 AM
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Hi PSO-ers,
What do you think of my line?
Villain is unknown.

When he bets so big on the river, I'd think we are not good anymore. Do you like a fold or a call?

 
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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
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The most likely reason why this has become such a tough riverspot against an unknown is probably your flopcheck.

I would always bet here, especially in a multiway pot. I can see a few merits in checking back top pairs on dry boards from time to time like deception or triggering bluffs from weak players. However, I would not to it with the strongest hands in my range and not against two opponents of which one might be a weaker player given his stacksize.

Some arguments for folding: It was a multiway pot, he leads OTT and pots a river that fills a few draws and makes some better made hands which kind of strengthens his range a lot.


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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:19 PM
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Hi Felix, thanks for your reply.

What are the merits of betting this flop?

Even against the worst of players, can we expect to get 3 streets of value with our hand? Not too many hands can float on K high flops so we are hoping that someone has a Kx and will pay us on atleast 2 streets.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:33 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily aim at always getting 3 streets of value with TPTK since that depends too much on so many other factors like turns/rivers and villain action. But let me ask the other way round: what hand is better in taking another hand for 3 streets than TPTK? Just the potential of doing it is reason enough for me to start betting flop against unknowns.

Also, the flop is the street with most potential for everyone to peel light with any pair, any straightdraw - and given that you have two opponents with one being on a shorter stack I would definitely choose this street first.


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Sat Jan 19, 2013, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PSO-xflixx View Post
But let me ask the other way round: what hand is better in taking another hand for 3 streets than TPTK? Just the potential of doing it is reason enough for me to start betting flop against unknowns.
The way I'm thinking is that if I bet here there are more hands that will fold than call. I would love to get 3 streets of value with TPTK against a hand like KQ or KJ. But if the turn brings an A/Q/J maybe I'm getting more hands to call me OTT and OTR, hands that would have folded to my cbet (QJ,AJ,AQ,etc.)
You think that is a flawed line of thought? Maybe I would realize more profit playing more straight forward on these levels?
 

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