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10NL - weird spot with KK - Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:37 PM
geoVARTA's Avatar
Since: Oct 2010
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I got myself stuck in this bad spot, so I'm looking for some insight on my turn x/c line and river decision.

Villain 33/29/3 (52 hands) - I would like to treat this opponent as an unknown due to the small sample size

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:54 PM
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Since: Mar 2012
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I'll actually bet-fold the Turn, not too worried about the club, plus we have a club ourselves. By checking we're left guessing. As played, since we displayed weakness OTT and OTR by checking, I think he might be betting worse like Tx. Calling should be better than folding here I guess.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:11 AM
Sandtrap777's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,310
I agree with Awesome here.
You need to bet on the turn
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:10 PM
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hi geo,

As played I would check-call the river. I don't want to treat the opponent as an unknown since although 52 hands is a small sample, he has in fact been pretty loose-aggressive in that time. This is a villain who I would surmise is capable of both betting a ten thinking he's good and bluffing a busted big club since we check/called the turn.

I'm not sure how much I like bet-folding this particular turn card vs. a very aggressive opponent who will raise me with all his better hands and is capable of sometimes raising as a semi-bluff as well. But I do agree with Awesome that we don't want to be left guessing... we should only take a check/call line imo if we think a villain will bluff a lot, or will bet worse made hands that he might not call with if we keep firing, i.e. we have a clear picture of how this line will be profitable/maximize value vs. this particular villain in this spot. But then we're not guessing, we have a plan for the hand we believe is profitable and we're simply executing that plan. If we aren't going to know how to respond when bet at twice with a c/c line, against a loose-aggressive player (who is more likely to do this with a wider range), then just bet the turn, but imo in this spot whether or not barreling is the best way to maximize value is uncertain.

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