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Discuss my tournament - Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:46 AM
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Hi Everyone,

I would like us to discuss this tournament "No Limit Hold'em Freeroll" and like to have any suggestions as to what I should have done differently.

I only wanted to play monster hands but unfortunately I did not get any except ones where I got AK and did not make the cut off time so my hand folded. But this too was a blessing because the player next to me got a flush that round.

So basically what I am trying to get out of this session is to help me improve my game and maybe get some solid thoughts as to what I should have done.

I have attached the Export from Pokerstars app.

Looking forward to your reply.
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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:36 PM
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Must be my ineptness with computers, I couldn't get the link to work. Screen just freezes on me.
 
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Funny - Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:39 AM
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That is funny because it works when I open it. Are you trying to open it with notepad? Because that works for me.

I will try and paste the content below:
PokerStars Hand #92711649827: Tournament #662777357, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2013/01/21 9:19:59 CUST [2013/01/21 2:19:59 ET]
Table '662777357 570' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: EWM1202 (28827 in chips)
Seat 2: MasterBlixem (390 in chips)
Seat 3: Sir Jhon (1880 in chips)
Seat 4: saxplayer54 (4005 in chips)
Seat 5: vipera7623 (17900 in chips)
Seat 6: holymennn (16410 in chips)
Seat 7: Satouro (5440 in chips)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda (4504 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Kabapu (23310 in chips)
EWM1202: posts the ante 40
MasterBlixem: posts the ante 40
Sir Jhon: posts the ante 40
saxplayer54: posts the ante 40
vipera7623: posts the ante 40
holymennn: posts the ante 40
Satouro: posts the ante 40
PavlukJarda: posts the ante 40
Kabapu: posts the ante 40
PavlukJarda: posts small blind 200
Kabapu: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MasterBlixem [Td 6s]
EWM1202: folds
MasterBlixem: folds
Sir Jhon: folds
saxplayer54: folds
vipera7623: folds
holymennn: calls 400
Satouro: folds
PavlukJarda: folds
Kabapu: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s Ah]
Kabapu: checks
holymennn: checks
*** TURN *** [8c 8s Ah] [Ks]
Kabapu: bets 800
holymennn: folds
Uncalled bet (800) returned to Kabapu
Kabapu collected 1360 from pot
Kabapu: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1360 | Rake 0
Board [8c 8s Ah Ks]
Seat 1: EWM1202 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MasterBlixem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sir Jhon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saxplayer54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vipera7623 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: holymennn folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Satouro (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Kabapu (big blind) collected (1360)



PokerStars Hand #92711661420: Tournament #662777357, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2013/01/21 9:20:46 CUST [2013/01/21 2:20:46 ET]
Table '662777357 570' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: EWM1202 (28787 in chips)
Seat 2: MasterBlixem (350 in chips)
Seat 3: Sir Jhon (1840 in chips)
Seat 4: saxplayer54 (3965 in chips)
Seat 5: vipera7623 (17860 in chips)
Seat 6: holymennn (15970 in chips)
Seat 7: Satouro (5400 in chips)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda (4264 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Kabapu (24230 in chips)
EWM1202: posts the ante 40
MasterBlixem: posts the ante 40
Sir Jhon: posts the ante 40
saxplayer54: posts the ante 40
vipera7623: posts the ante 40
holymennn: posts the ante 40
Satouro: posts the ante 40
PavlukJarda: posts the ante 40
Kabapu: posts the ante 40
Kabapu: posts small blind 200
EWM1202: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MasterBlixem [6h 8c]
MasterBlixem: folds
Sir Jhon: folds
vipera7623 is disconnected
saxplayer54: folds
vipera7623 is connected
vipera7623: calls 400
holymennn: raises 15530 to 15930 and is all-in
Satouro: folds
PavlukJarda: folds
Kabapu: folds
EWM1202: folds
vipera7623: calls 15530
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8h 9h]
*** TURN *** [Ts 8h 9h] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 8h 9h Jd] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vipera7623: shows [Jh Ah] (a pair of Jacks)
holymennn: shows [8s Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
holymennn collected 32820 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 32820 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 8h 9h Jd 4d]
Seat 1: EWM1202 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MasterBlixem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sir Jhon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saxplayer54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vipera7623 showed [Jh Ah] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: holymennn showed [8s Qs] and won (32820) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 7: Satouro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kabapu (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Hand #92711668725: Tournament #662777357, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2013/01/21 9:21:15 CUST [2013/01/21 2:21:15 ET]
Table '662777357 570' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: EWM1202 (28347 in chips)
Seat 2: MasterBlixem (310 in chips)
Seat 3: Sir Jhon (1800 in chips)
Seat 4: saxplayer54 (3925 in chips)
Seat 5: vipera7623 (1890 in chips)
Seat 6: holymennn (32820 in chips)
Seat 7: Satouro (5360 in chips)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda (4224 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Kabapu (23990 in chips)
EWM1202: posts the ante 40
MasterBlixem: posts the ante 40
Sir Jhon: posts the ante 40
saxplayer54: posts the ante 40
vipera7623: posts the ante 40
holymennn: posts the ante 40
Satouro: posts the ante 40
PavlukJarda: posts the ante 40
Kabapu: posts the ante 40
EWM1202: posts small blind 200
MasterBlixem: posts big blind 270 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MasterBlixem [Jd 4h]
Sir Jhon: calls 400
saxplayer54: folds
vipera7623: raises 1450 to 1850 and is all-in
holymennn: folds
Satouro: folds
PavlukJarda: folds
Kabapu: folds
EWM1202: folds
Sir Jhon: calls 1360 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (90) returned to vipera7623
*** FLOP *** [3h 9c 2s]
*** TURN *** [3h 9c 2s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [3h 9c 2s Qd] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sir Jhon: shows [7h 9h] (a pair of Nines)
vipera7623: shows [As 3s] (a pair of Threes)
Sir Jhon collected 2980 from side pot
MasterBlixem: shows [Jd 4h] (high card Queen)
Sir Jhon collected 1370 from main pot
MasterBlixem finished the tournament in 857th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4350 Main pot 1370. Side pot 2980. | Rake 0
Board [3h 9c 2s Qd 6c]
Seat 1: EWM1202 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MasterBlixem (big blind) showed [Jd 4h] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 3: Sir Jhon showed [7h 9h] and won (4350) with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: saxplayer54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vipera7623 showed [As 3s] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: holymennn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Satouro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PavlukJarda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kabapu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:45 AM
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Hi MasterBlixem,

Here's a video about how to use our hand replayer, you might find it useful for posting those hands for review


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Pitty - Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:51 AM
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Hi,

I see that it only has a a couple of hands in and not as many as I hoped, so it will not really help because I folded my hold cards.

Thanks for the effort anyway.
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:54 AM
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The first two hands that you posted both had you with bad starting hands in early position so good folds there.

The third hand saw you all-in after getting short stacked so not much you could have done there.

As it was a freeroll tourmament I'm guessing that there was a large field with some very loose/aggressive opposition as is common in these games.

What areas of your game would you say weakest at or what would you like the most help with?

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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:01 AM
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Hi Raiser,

Thanks for your reply, well I don't really know where to concentrate on. I have tried varies strategies. Everything from PokerSchoolOnline to ******************'s guidelines. But it just seems like none of them are working.

So I guess I would like a solid strategy that one can follow.

And it is properly just me but it seems like I just don't get good hold cards on PokerStars anymore.

Looking forward to your suggestions.

Thanks again.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:41 AM
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Hi Raiser,

And it is properly just me but it seems like I just don't get good hold cards on PokerStars anymore.

Looking forward to your suggestions.

Thanks again.
Firstly try to remember that PokerStars won't make any more money depending on who wins the hand. Instead they make their profit from the rake charged which will be the same whether you win the pot or your opponent does, it doesn't matter who.

Personally I believe I get the same amount of good/bad hands as anyone else playing at PokerStars and I've been around the school here long enough now to know that profitable players are always the ones that put a lot of work into improving their game.

I would suggest doing these two steps below for now and once you have answered them we can move on. Immprovement's will take time and is dependant on how much of your time you are willing to invest.

Firstly decide what is you prefered type of game. Is it Multi-table Tournaments, Sit n' Gos, Cash Games? What buy-in you should play depending on your bankroll etc.

Next decide how many hours you can commit to this every week?

Have a think about it, make a decision and post what you want to do here in this thread and we can draw up a plan.

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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:54 AM
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Raiser,

Ones again thank you for you help, I really do appreciate it.

Answer 1
I am still a bit undecided because as far as I can see Cash Games is what most pro's play and make good money with it. Tournaments are a bit harder to win but if you do win it is a very good ROI. Sit and Go games to me is only to make a quick buck, but not really an option if you want to start doing it for a living.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any way. But that is how I see it at this stage in time.

So it would either have to be Cash or Tournament.

If I have to choose one of the bat it would probably be Tournaments as I think this is the best way to make a living out of poker (which is my goal). And as stated please correct me if you think I am wrong?

I am open to any suggestions.

Bankroll wise, I deposit a $100 every month to play around with and test my skills, and I read an article the other day suggesting that I should start playing only $4 buy-in games to build my bankroll. Would this be your suggestion too?

I played the Freeroll again today and for some reason my hands just don't work out. Please look at my last hand in the tournament and let me know if it was the correct play?



Ones again thank you so much for your time and I hope to learn a lot from you.

Looking forward to your reply.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:48 AM
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Hi MasterBlixem!

For proper bankroll management, a player should have 100 buy-ins for any tournament they are looking to play. If you have $100 in your account, if you want to follow good bankroll management, you should only be playing $1 tourneys or lower.

I don't agree with much in the KK hand. Here's how I'd have played it.

With KK, I'm going to make a standard opening raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With 2 limpers, I'm going to raise to 5BB or 350. I then get min-raised. When this happens, with a premium hand, I want to re-raise and will do so with a standard raise sizing (to 3X the previous bet). Due to this, I'll now raise to 1050. I do not want to be raising smaller, as that can give the opp the correct odds to outdraw me.

The flop brings and underpair and the opp checks to me. I will make a c-bet here and will size it at 1/2 pot. However, if I had made standard raises preflop, there are enough chips in the pot that I will be pot-committed, so I will shove the flop.
On the flop/turn/river, I want to size my bets based on the pot size, the number of opps and the board texture and always make standard bets. By making standard bet sizes throughout the hand, the opp has no clue what cards I'm playing, as I'll make the same bets with any hand I'm playing.

If the opp wants to stay and chase with a worse hand when I have them make a -EV call each street (a call where they expect to lose chips on average)... that's what I want. Yes, they will get lucky and draw out a given % of the time, but if they make negative plays over and over, I will come out ahead in the long run.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:35 PM
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Hi Raiser,

Sorry forgot to answer one of your questions, with regards to the amount of time per week. I will be able to dedicate at least 45 hours per week.

Dear John/JWK24,

Thank you so much for your input, it is always much appreciated if you guys take the time to reply to my messages.

With regards to the bankroll, I will definitely adapt my strategy to 100xBuyIn and see how it works out as it makes sense.

With regards to keeping a consistent raise throughout the tournament, I read that you should try to grow the pot as much as possible with monster hands (which I tried, and succeeded but had bad luck on the river). However your method makes more sense from a consistency point of view to have your opponent wonder what you have throughout the tournament.

So thanks again for the tip. I will definitely try to apply it on my future games and see if it betters my game.

Ones again thanks for your inputs.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Hi MasterBlixem!

Since there are no physical tells that a player can get (since all you're doing is looking at a computer screen), bet sizes are the largest tell to most online players.
Players that bet more with good hands and less with speculative hands basically turn their cards face up to an observant opponent. It's something that I always look for.

However, with standard bet sizes, the opp won't have a clue whether I'm playing AA, 77, 33, AK, JTs or a total bluff with 27o. They get absolutely no information about my hand due to my bet sizes.

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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:00 PM
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Hi John,

Well stated and thanks for the tip. Will use it to my advantage.

 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:45 PM
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I am still a bit undecided because as far as I can see Cash Games is what most pro's play and make good money with it. Tournaments are a bit harder to win but if you do win it is a very good ROI. Sit and Go games to me is only to make a quick buck, but not really an option if you want to start doing it for a living.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any way. But that is how I see it at this stage in time.
There are professionals that specialize in cash games, pros that mainly play multi-table tourneys, and grinders that play thousands of sit n gos. (Tom Dwan and Phil Galfond both built their rolls playing SnGs, before concentrating on high stakes cash).

Each type of game has different bankroll requirements because of the amount of variance involved. For cash games, you can get by on 25-35 buy-ins because it's a steady grind. For SnGs, 30-50 buy-ins might be more appropriate. For big-field tourneys, 100-300 buy-ins are necessary, because you can play an awful lot of tourneys before you get a decent win, and will have long barren spells, during which you'd go busto if you didn't have a decent roll to start with.

My main piece of advice, however, would be to not even think about becoming a "pro" just yet. It can take 100,000 hands or so before you've worked out which type of game you like, as well as got a good idea of your winrate. For the time being, focus on learning the games at the lowest stakes possible, and try and enjoy yourself. Good luck!
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:51 PM
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Hi ArtySmokesPS,

Thanks for your reply and bankroll suggestions / info. I have noted your Game Type to Buy-in ratios and will be using them as guidelines in the future.

Do you recommend any specific Type for the best ROI?
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:38 AM
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Dear John/JWK24,

The following hand I played as you suggested and yet again the opponent got a top pair on the river. This is really frustrating. And it seems that all my last couple of games end that way.

Please let me know if you would have done anything different?

 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:28 AM
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Another one.

I am playing play money to test out a strategy that I have read online.

And ones again the river card just has me down. Honestly this is not right.

 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:09 AM
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Again...

These games are literally directly after one another. Yet again, because I was short stacked I decided to take shove. And guess what yet again:



Honestly I cant see how this keeps happening.

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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Best ROI? Depends on your skills. If one type of game was more profitable than all the others then all the pros would switch to that game, which would then make it less profitable. So there's a sort of equilibrium effect. You can make money in cash, MTTs or STTs. If your skills/personality is best suited to grinding SnGs, then go with those. If you have the bankroll to just play MTTs patiently until you get a big score then go with those. I've not run very well in tourneys, so find cashgames better for building a bankroll. If I can get a seat on a table with somee obvious fish, then profit is almost guaranteed. In tournaments where you have no control of your table/seat draw, luck can play a larger part in the outcome.

As for the last 3 hands you played...

With JJ and 10bb facing 2 limps, just go directly all in, hoping to take all the dead money or get called by one player, where you'll have a great shot at doubling up. With JdJs vs KcTh, you're going to win 71% of the time. That means that you'll lose 3 times out of 10, but all you can do in poker is get your money in good. This is why you need a decent bankroll. In the long run, you'll make a profit in this hand 70% of the time, but it's perfectly possible for you to lose several times in a row.

AK vs AT is another tough beat as you have villain dominated (his ace is no good) so you are going to win about 74% of the time. But remember that 74% is not the same as 100%. You just have to accept the bad beats ocassionally.

With KQ vs T9, it's another bad beat, but you only had 64% equity. You're going to lose this race about 4 times in every 10. In the long run, you'd be happy to replay this race again and again as you'd show a healthy long term profit, but once again you need a bankroll that can withstand the short term variance.

Learning to accept variance is one of the toughest things for new players to do. Even after 120,000 hands I can get very frustrated by a string of bad beats, but you just have to focus on making good decisions. Don't focus on the results. Just say "I keep getting my money in as a favourite, so in the long run I will make money".
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:48 PM
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Why can I not get beat with something decent???

I mean who does that with J 4? Honestly this is just very bad play. I played my hand in early position because of my M value, in the hope to get my stack up.

But then you have to get these guys that just strikes the luck on any crappy hand. This is extremely frustrating.


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