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50nl Full Ring folding bottom set on flop

50nl Full Ring folding bottom set on flop - Fri Feb 01, 2013, 10:09 AM
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Hi all,

A member sent me this hand via PM asking for feedback. I replied there, and encouraged them to post future hands in the HA forum here (they had no forum posts yet, but said they had been watching my vids). I decided after the reply to post it here too, since it's an instructive hand. I'm making them anonymous, and in this case am glad they sent the text and did not use our replayer, as the replayer doesn't show table chat.

I'll add my analysis I already PM'd the member, please join in with your own thoughts!

PokerStars Hand #: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2013/02/01 12:38:54 AEST [2013/01/31 20:38:54 ET]
Table 'Nasl II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Player 1 ($56.39 in chips)
Seat 2: Player 2 ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Player 3 ($55.39 in chips)
Seat 5: Player 5 ($75.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Player 6 ($67.19 in chips)
Seat 7: Player 7 ($49.22 in chips)
Seat 8: Player 8 ($79.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($50 in chips)
Player 2: posts small blind $0.25
Player 3: posts big blind $0.50
OMG_molini: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [2h 2s]
Player 5: folds
Player 6: raises $1 to $1.50
Player 7: calls $1.50
Player 8: calls $1.50
Hero: calls $1.50
Player 1: calls $1.50
Player 2: folds
Player 3: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [2c 5d 9d]
Player 3: checks
Player 6: checks
Player 7: bets $6
Player 8: calls $6
Hero: raises $12 to $18
Player 1: folds
Player 3: folds
Player 6: folds
Player 7: raises $29.72 to $47.72 and is all-in
Player 8: calls $41.72
Hero said, "guess i have to fold bottom set"
Hero: folds
*** TURN *** [2c 5d 9d] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [2c 5d 9d Ts] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Player 7: shows [7d 8d] (high card Ace)
Player 8: shows [6d Jd] (high card Ace - Jack kicker)
Player 8 collected $120.19 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122.69 | Rake $2.50
Board [2c 5d 9d Ts Ac]
Seat 1: Player 1 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Player 2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Player 3 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Player 5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Player 6 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Player 7 showed [7d 8d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: Player 8 showed [6d Jd] and won ($120.19) with high card Ace
Seat 9: Hero folded on the Flop

any advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated

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Fri Feb 01, 2013, 10:11 AM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,479
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For this hand, without any villain reads, I think it looks pretty straight forward up to the fold. I might size my flop raise a bit bigger, with $21 already in the pot I'd make it about that, but it's a small difference only. At least you did raise.

I don't think I am folding bottom set here without reads. There's just too many worse hands they can have to be worried about bigger sets. If they are nit1 and nit2 then sure it seems like a reasonable fold, but no reads are given (and if we had reads, those reads would clearly not include the words nit or tight for either of these villains, given the actual holdings they showed down). So I would have gone with it and taken my chances. I find it tough to make big lay downs without reads to assist in the decision.

The other thing I don't like is stating in chat you're folding a set. Never tell opponents you're making a big lay down, never show a big lay down. If you do have to make one, do it quietly, giving that kind if information out can put a target on your back. And it can make the bad players think, we don't want to encourage our bad opponents to do that at the tables.

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