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2nd pair facing maniac - Mon Feb 04, 2013, 09:54 AM
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Just had this hand the last session.



Stats: VPIP/PFR/3BET% ; 50/40/22

I'd seen him do this spewy min 3bet on the button before. He also had a huge tendency to overbet when he had nothing, which I saw on another zoom table I was playing at.

So, after I call his 3bet he overbets...

I felt really gross calling this bet, but hoped he would play this hand the same as before. I figured if he wanted value he'd size his bet smaller to let me call.

When he puts out another healthy bet on the turn, I was a little bit worried. I just didn't believe him though. I knew there wasn't much fold equity, but I thought I had the best hand so I value jammed.

He calls with a broadway draw and I take it down.

Even with the past history, is this play too volatile/spewy?
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2013, 10:15 AM
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Hi birdayy,

If he's a big bluff monkey, then when he gives the bet sizing tell that he has nothing I'd probably opt to check/call 3 streets and let him continue to bluff. If the read is accurate then the only card that is any concern at all is a king, since we know he doesn't have a Q and an ace improves you to 2 pair, so giving him cards isn't a big concern.

As played it's shocking he called off with this hand, but a lot of his "nothing" hands will be total air that he'll just fold to a jam. So while your value jam does get value from draws (even weak ones apparently lol), it doesn't get value from complete air, and if we think villain will bluff it off with all of the above then there's more value in check/calling down. IF he will only fire 2 shells and give up on the river, then c/r jam is better. So I'd look at his barreling frequency and go from there.


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Mon Feb 04, 2013, 10:24 AM
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I figured he was pot committed with his turn bet, so may as well get in with the most equity, and prevent flushes and spewy 2 pairs from getting there.

Also, I think I was a little tilted from some bad beats, so just wanted to get some non-showdown winnings.

Though I see your POV and will probably follow the calling down line next time. I just figured every card I let him have, my decision will get harder and harder.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2013, 01:24 PM
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I figured he was pot committed with his turn bet, so may as well get in with the most equity, and prevent flushes and spewy 2 pairs from getting there.

Also, I think I was a little tilted from some bad beats, so just wanted to get some non-showdown winnings.

Though I see your POV and will probably follow the calling down line next time. I just figured every card I let him have, my decision will get harder and harder.
A couple points... if you figured he was pot committed then you must be expecting him to call, not fold, so if he's to make a draw or some garbage 2 pair it's going to happen either way, you're not preventing anything. There are hands in his range that are air on the turn though some of which are drawing dead, that might fold to a jam.

Also the decision shouldn't be getting harder or easier... if we make a plan for the hand that is to check/call down 3 streets it should be because we think it's the best way to maximize value against this villain in this spot (which it is against a big bluffer). So the decision is already made, we think this line (against this guy, in this spot) is the most +EV, therefore checking and calling his turn and river bets is realizing our equity. Sometimes we'll end up getting beat, more often than not we won't (as per our read) but there's no tough decision to face as we already faced it on the flop and determined a clear plan for all streets in this case based on the read and info present.


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Mon Feb 04, 2013, 10:55 PM
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^^ Yes.

My mistake
 

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