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Spotting Fish from afar. - Mon Feb 04, 2013, 10:21 AM
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I went and played a live tourney tonight and had an unfortunate bad beat right at the start of the tourney. Killed my stack straight away. I had pocket jacks and 6 of 8 players called the BB where I was sitting and I then raised to 275 with my Jacks. This dude calls, and I don't hit, with two spades on the board I bet most of my stack. With all low cards on the deck I chuck a little bet out there knowing I want some stack back if this guy has hit trip 3's or something, but no he hits a spade on the river and flushes with a 5-8 in his hand. Who calls 5.5 times the BB raise with a 5-8? Need to spot fools like this before a tourney starts. Is there a way?
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Hi ALEXNLUKE!

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These fish are out there in every single game. I've seen them live from a $1/2 cash game, to a $25 tournament, even in $365 WSOP Circuits... they're everywhere.

In this hand, what I would look at is the preflop raise amount. If everyone's going to be limping like that, I'm going to make a standard raise (3BB+1BB for each limper), which is probably more than 275. I want to do this to try and thin the field some, especially when I'm out of position.

If the flop brings two spades, here's a good example of why I want to raise more to get people to fold. With 5 opps in, I cannot bet enough to make them have a -EV call. When I'm out of position, I want to do whatever possible if I think I have the best hand, to force the opps into calling an amount where on average they lose chips.

I'd also need to make a sizable bet on the turn (1/2 pot if against 1 opp, 2/3 if against 2, 3/4 if against 3) if there is a flush draw. If the opp could have a combo draw (str8 and flush), then I'd need to bet more here too. If I don't bet enough on the turn too, the opp will be getting the correct odds to outdraw me (something I want to avoid whenever possible). I want my bets preflop to be based on BB's (if there is no raise) and I want my bets post-flop to be based on a % of the pot-size.

The way to spot them is to see what cards they showdown. Some can't fold any A. Some can't fold any suited cards. These are both notes that I make when playing online and make mental notes on these types of players too when I'm playing live. You never know what you're going to run into. A good example of this is me last Saturday night. I see a flop of 9 9 5 into a family pot. Guy basically shoves with 26o.... right into my pocket 9's... LOLOL.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Feb 05, 2013, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ALEXNLUKE View Post
I went and played a live tourney tonight and had an unfortunate bad beat right at the start of the tourney. Killed my stack straight away. I had pocket jacks and 6 of 8 players called the BB where I was sitting and I then raised to 275 with my Jacks. This dude calls, and I don't hit, with two spades on the board I bet most of my stack. With all low cards on the deck I chuck a little bet out there knowing I want some stack back if this guy has hit trip 3's or something, but no he hits a spade on the river and flushes with a 5-8 in his hand. Who calls 5.5 times the BB raise with a 5-8? Need to spot fools like this before a tourney starts. Is there a way?
If you had a hand replayer it would be better.
i don't think so. The only rule I would follow is if u want to enjoy playing poker and know you opponents, do not bet most of you stack when the blinds are 10/20.
 

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