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NLHE 90 man SnG JJ on the Button - Fri Feb 08, 2013, 07:16 PM
85FastLane's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
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I think I already know what I should've done differently. This is the 40th hand dealt to me in the tournament and the very first flop I saw because every other hand was worse than this. I really can't get cards lately.

So I 4BB bet the one limper who I had tagged as a loose player, he was in about 70% of hands and he doesn't limp when he has good hole cards. At least I learned since the last hand I had evaluated, because then I would've kept trying to push him off the pot even though I'm beat. The call was an immediate signal to hit the brakes.

He was nice enough to show his Qd6d
Fri Feb 08, 2013, 07:56 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
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I think preflop I would have played it exactly the same.

On the flop I would have done one of 3 things, Checked and folded to a turn bet... most likely if I think my Opponent will only bet a pair not a draw.

Pushed all in..this is a position in the torniement play as well as the villain, Do we have any fold equity on this flop with this villain.

Against a maniac I might bet 1/3 of the pot and hope he raises so i could shove over the top and be in a position to chip up. But I would have to know this villain is not raising pre means he cant have a Q or K in his hand.

With the 400 on the flop and the fold you leave your stack very light.

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Sat Feb 09, 2013, 01:29 PM
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Since: Oct 2011
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Pre-flop is fine.

If villain is a playing 70% of hands and is limping frequently, he's likely to be a calling station post-flop. If he caught a piece of the flop, you can't try to "push him off".
It's a brutal flop for JJ. If you bet, you're not often getting called by worse, unless this guy gets married to underpairs, or chases flush draws and gutshots even when short-stacked. I don't see much value in turning your jacks into a bluff, as this guy is never folding a Q, let alone a king. C-betting (especially so big) also means you have less than a pot bet remaining, so you've crippled yourself. I'd prefer a check behind, hoping the turn brings a blank and villain checks again.
If villain bets the turn, then it would depend on the size, but anything decent would convince me I was beat, so I would fold and lose the minimum.
Villains like this are very profitable to play against, but only when you make a good hand. Third pair is not good enough here, so I'm pretty much done with the hand on the flop.

Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 01:31 PM..
Sat Feb 09, 2013, 05:42 PM
85FastLane's Avatar
Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 151
I think I'm too attached to the c-bet. If I see a check on the flop I figure I better put some chips out. No doubt I would've been better off checking the flop. Good lesson, thanks!
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:01 AM
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Hey 85,

I definitely like the preflop raise over a super loose limper.

I don't like the flop continuation bet. It's much bigger than need be, if he missed he's just going to fold to any bet size and if he hit any piece he's calling I think is the read we believe on this guy, so we can just bet 200 and save ourselves 100 when he doesn't go away.

Also a better line still I think would be to check back the flop. If he's actually loose-passive he may check the turn with hands like Qx and give us a free river (hands with which he's not folding to a bet). So with back door straight and flush draws this is pretty valuable to us. If we check back and he bets the turn, and we haven't improved our hand, we can just fold. If it goes check/check on the turn too, the river blanks off, and he makes a river stab, we can consider calling him as all draws missed and we can beat all weird bluffs.

The bet here doesn't accomplish much except folding out worse hands (basically all of his air) and losing us almost 30% of our remaining stack when he hasn't missed.

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