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Had a good pair now looks like a bad pair, should i set mine? - Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:43 AM
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Note villain 6 folds

both unknowns this is hand 3 at a new table, first though was jam looks fishy second was but there's two of them, third was maybe they think I'm stealing followed by what both of them....


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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:35 PM
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Against unknowns, this is an easy fold for me.
A cold 4-bet shove at these stakes is hardly ever a worse hand than QQ.

I'd actually be folding to just the 3-bet here, as without stats/reads you have no idea if it's a resteal or a legitimate value raise. TT does pretty badly against typical 3-bet ranges at 2NL/5NL, and you don't have odds to set-mine.
 
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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:31 PM
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Personally I would instafold here Grade b -

If I knew the opp on the button better I might be prepared to call the extra $0.25 and set-mine their reraise, as I feel we could expect to stack them when we do hit the set just about often enough - but with the $2.00 stack getting in we don't have odds to set mine and the choice for me is probably 1) shove hoping to fold out the button, isolate and play for the small stack or 2) fold.

Readless I would just fold,and I would need a VERY good reason to attempt to oust the button and get in with the SB anyway, even with good reads.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:44 PM
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Hey Grade b,

Not much more to add, I agree with Arty and Ed. There's no odds to set mine so the only real evaluation here is how TT plays vs. their ranges. The answer is probably not good. We're basically praying we're up against a couple AK hands. V5 is short stacking with 40 bigs, but over a raise and 3b when he cold 4b jams, without any read I'd figure that to be JJ+ and AK, a range against which we are a 2-1 dog. Then there's the problem of the button who 3b us and we have no reads. Easy fold.


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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:41 AM
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ty everyone,

I guess I put it out there because as Dave guessed both players flipped over AK and i had already folded...grrrr


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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:05 PM
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ty everyone,

I guess I put it out there because as Dave guessed both players flipped over AK and i had already folded...grrrr


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You can't let this kind of thing eat you, it happens. If they showed you their AK's you'd snap the money in obviously, but you're not faced with stacking vs. 2 AK's, you're faced with stacking vs. ranges of hands that also include mostly hands dominating you (and AK).


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