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Pay structure change! - Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:00 AM
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I see they've changed the pay structure in the 90 and 180 man sit and go's.

Why the hell would they do that? If anything I'd prefer they went the other way. Less players paid more.

It is now possible to spend 4 hours playing a 180 man and min cashing for a profit of $0.29!!!! What is the point?

Am I missing some good reason for this?
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:23 AM
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The payout structures were changed to give more players the chance to get in the money. When this happens, we believe that the players will be encouraged to return to these tournaments, thus ensuring that the liquidity of the games for the future.

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:00 AM
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Getting a good return for a good run will make me return to a game. Recieving chump change after 4 hours of playing is more likely to put me off playing again. Maybe that's just me.


I'm willing to bet that if you put up a 180 man with only the top 12 paid it would fill way faster than the new format.
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:23 AM
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Howdy Baard

1st. off...........nice to see you post,

Anyways.....just wondering?

When stars change the format a while back in the cash games,

Is there more peeps playing them now?, or has the numbers fallen?

b.t.w. I play them far less now, and I know a few others that do not play them at all anymore.

cheers
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:37 AM
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I also welcome Baard's post and it's great to see a PokerStars Representative here in the Forum.

It's unlikely Baard will be able to answer every post but I'd like to thank him for the explanation.

If any member has further queries about this please contact support@pokerstars.com and they will be happy to assist you.

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:43 AM
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Hey Paul............as always.....hiccup,

Your doing a great job here in the forum, your always on top of things, cheers man.

I do see about 5 of the pokerstars peeps online now,

So I do hope some kind of an answer from them,

Once again Paul...great work man

cheers
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:30 AM
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Think I'll try and put up poll on this. If I can work out how to do it.

Just out of interest.
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:33 AM
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I think you underestimate the effect getting in the money has on new players. It is all about giving a positive experience to as many players as possible.

In the long run, I am sure it will be good for the games.

Baard


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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:03 PM
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I see. It about helping new players.

The thing about new players is that they are not new for long. They very quickly become old or ex players.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Should have said thanks for you replies. And for your poll vote
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:28 PM
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I'm willing to bet that if you put up a 180 man with only the top 12 paid it would fill way faster than the new format.
How about if they changed it so that only 3 peiople cashed, or they made it so it was winner takes all for one lucky player?
Imagine coming 2nd several times, but never winning.

I much prefer a flatter structure. It reduces variance, for a start. When someone is trying to build a bankroll, a bunch of mincashes is great for the roll and for morale. A streak of misses (when getting ITM is so hard) can put someone off tournaments for life, while also quickly wiping out their deposit.

I do think the changes could lead to nittier games, though. When it's "easier" to cash, there's less need for desperate aggression/gambling.

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:36 PM
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A person walks into a casino for the first time and wins with
their $100.00 they will return many more times even if they lose
every time after that chasing that rush again.

If a person puts their first $100.00 on pokerstars and does not
win a thing they are more likely to never deposit again or at
least not until they forget that they lost it all without winning a thing.

If your a good player the bottom payout should not matter because your going for Top 3 payouts.
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:59 PM
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i love the new format i personaly thought this a long tim ago especialy for the turbos to decreas the variance a bit so i love it


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Pay structure change! - Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:11 PM
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Well seeing we are dicussing sngs how about you puting in a 360 man $1 game, same format as the 10cent 360man, Ive noticed off and on others ask for this too and a $1 180 man as well. I think both of these would go over well.


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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:41 PM
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Like to see $1 180's too chilli. None turbos for me though.
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:23 PM
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The payout structures were changed to give more players the chance to get in the money. When this happens, we believe that the players will be encouraged to return to these tournaments, thus ensuring that the liquidity of the games for the future.

Thanks
Baard
Hi Mr. Baard,

That's exciting to hear that the reps at PokerStars are trying to think up ways to get people excited about particular games.

Because I play Zoom, which is kind of a hard game to jump into and land on your feet with - like the game moves 4 times as fast, there's less chance to develop in-depth reads on so many people, not all beginners have HUDS which can help people develop reads, etc. So I see so many more beginners to cash games looking to get their feet wet at the regular (non-zoom) tables ... I don't want to call them 'fish' but hopefully you know what I'm trying to say ...

And cash tables have that milestone promotion every couple of months - and zoom tables aren't eligible to win prizes in that. So, we don't benefit from that promotion, although there was a Zoom-specific promotion a couple of months ago where players who were able to win a hand with the hand of the day received a 1 buy-in bonus from PokerStars, which was AWESOME!!!

Any plans to lower the rake of Zoom, as a way to try and attract more beginners to the player pool? Since we pay so much more in rake per month anyways? Or are there any plans to have any more Zoom promotions any time soon?

Thanks for stopping by!! Welcome, welcome!!
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:45 AM
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Well seeing we are dicussing sngs how about you puting in a 360 man $1 game, same format as the 10cent 360man, Ive noticed off and on others ask for this too and a $1 180 man as well. I think both of these would go over well.
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Like to see $1 180's too chilli. None turbos for me though.

There IS a $1 180 man,unfortunately it's a hyper-turbo. I'm with you 100% chilli and steve,think a regular structure $1 180 (Hell,even a standard turbo...) would be a hit of a game for them.

Chilli,LOVE the $1 360 man idea,I actually e-mailed my thought on that off to the powers that be a couple times back when US players could play for $ here.

Dave commented in steve's poll thread on the new 180 payout structure that when it comes to 180 man's (and so certainly by extension 360's as well...) that he considers them to be straight MTT's more than SNG's. I'm kind of on board with that line of thinking myself,but I gravitate more to the school of thought that the 180 and 360 man SNG's are a great bridge game from multi-table SNG's to standard freeze out MTT's.

With that in mind I think one or more higher buy-in 360's,even were they to be standard turbo formats like the existing .10 360's,would be a great addition to Stars menu.

Good idea chills.

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SnG or MTT who cares - Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:32 PM
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I really dont care if they are called sng or mtt all I would like to see is $1 180 man and 360 man turbos the same as the 10 cent one now available. I know I would play these all day long. There is interest and what can giving it a try hurt?


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