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Top pair, Royal Flush Draw (4 way flop) - Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:27 PM
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Background:

Satellite is down to last 43 players (577 started) and I pick up AQs in mp/lp 15bb with the blinds at 400/800 Ante 130.

Hero Hud Stats

VP 14, PFR 8, 3B 4, CB 81,
FCB 37 (100)

Villain Hud Stats

VP 16, PFR 3, 3B 0, CB -,
FCB - (46)


Question:

Not sure it would have changed the outcome as Villain 1 (CO) was probably calling off the rest of his/her stack anyway, but should I have got it 'all in' pre-flop? (... although think I already know the answer).

Any comments / feedback appreciated?

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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:58 PM
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A bit more background would be good - how close to the bubble? Game type, buy-in, satty to what?

Regular tournament I would shove preflop - if I raised preflop and hit so well with strong draws to improve I would shove the flop.

But in a satty it will all depend on position in the tourney and what is required to get to the bubble - so here for me it might be a shove, or a fold. preflop - rarely a raise.
Ed

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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:21 AM
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I think you played it fine. Your iso-raise didn't commit you (so you could still fold if there was a big shove after you) and should have got you heads up vs the limper.
But... then there are a bunch of calls from short stacks. Crazy. With all the calls, your stack is now smaller than the pot, so I'm absolutely shoving with TP and the monster draw. You were unlucky that you missed all your outs, but villain hit one of his.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:43 AM
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Thanks Ed & Arty for your comments / feedback. My intention was to isolate the original limper (6.5bb) but after Villain 1 called [???]; the SB & BB were getting 3.27:1 and 3.92:1 respectively. It left me with less than a pot size bet, so I was never folding post flop with tp & draws.

In hindsight if I had open shoved; Villain 1 was probably calling anyway given he/she was willing to commit more than half their stack [above]; and I suspect the SB & BB would have folded given fold equity / post flop action?

However, had Villain 1 RR 'all in' and either SB or BB called or RR... Would I still not be priced in to jam pre-flop given size of pot?

Many Thanks,

Prodigy

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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 05:48 PM
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Hey Prodigy237

Shoving preflop would be the best play imo. When villain 6 limps it makes the pot size a little over 3000 chips which is 25% of our stack and if we shove there's a good chance that he is going to call with worse anyway so I love shoving here.

If there were smaller stacks behind you that you have near enough covered then I don't think raising would be a problem and I might prefer if because if villain 6 calls our 3x raise and everybody else folds there will be 7840 chips in the middle and our villain will be left with only 2900 chips making it easy for us to either put him all in on the flop or call an all in regardless of what the flop brings.

Definitely in favor of shoving it preflop in this spot with a big stack in the big blind that could defend lightly and cause some post flop awkwardness because of how shallow stacked we are.

As played I think shoving flop is cool because we have less than a pot sized bet, but we have nailed this flop very hard so I would be inclined to c bet to maybe 3k and induce action. The only scary cards we can see are three Jacks and three Queens.

Nice hand, unfortunate turn out! Cheers, Chris.

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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:02 PM
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Thanks Chris,

I appreciate your feedback.

Cheers, Prodigy
 

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