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Wednesday Game - Final Hand - Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:14 PM
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What is wrong here?



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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:36 PM
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You need to include some reads




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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:44 PM
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You are defending the button with a wide range?
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:15 PM
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Umm, nothing's wrong?



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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:01 AM
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I disagree that nothing's wrong. Depending on reads something might be wrong.

V9 is stacking off way to light post flop UNLESS Hero is a maniac. Normally V9 is never good here. (If Hero is a maniac then V9 should seriously consider 4-betting preflop planning to get it in vs. a 5b).

Hero should never be isolating with pure garbage if V9 is normally this sticky to pots, they should isolate a wider range of value hands and dump all garbage.

IF the reads are that V9 is a tight player normally and Hero is a maniac, then it all looks pretty standard.


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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:06 AM
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thinking the wrong hand was posted......hiccup,

title says final hand, and ed is still in the game,

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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by EdinFreeMan View Post
What is wrong here?



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Ed

Hmmm.what's wrong?

Uh,ASSUMING that you're the Hero here Ed...

...you were fresh out of Macallan Fine Oak as the hand was being dealt?
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:15 AM
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thinking the wrong hand was posted......hiccup,

title says final hand, and ed is still in the game,

cheers

Well,if you follow my line of reasoning in post #7 it could have been the final hand for Ed.

hiccup...
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:51 AM
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I don't see anything wrong here except Ed's initial raise. I'd need a pretty solid read to raise T3o. Post flop there's no way villain can put you on a three, so all the chips are always going in, I think.

To tell the truth, Ed, I gotta feel for your villain.



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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:56 PM
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You need to include some reads
It was 3am here when I posted - but here are my reads having reviewed the hand in my PT3

Villain 9 - solid reg - TAGgy stats of 19/18 over 85 hands in this session. As we are deep stacked I expect they will open raise from this position with mostly PPs, high value cards and suited connectors.

The small blind is another dangerous player, also TAGish stats of about 22/16 from this session, so I am hoping they will not defend the SB.

BB is an unkown - looser stats of 36/29

The 'hero' or 'maniac?'is indeed me - and I had tried this 3-bet line, in position, from the cut-off successfully in a previous hand, when the villain said they folded a smaller pp preflop (may have said 44)

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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:23 PM
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I disagree that nothing's wrong. Depending on reads something might be wrong.

V9 is stacking off way to light post flop UNLESS Hero is a maniac. Normally V9 is never good here. (If Hero is a maniac then V9 should seriously consider 4-betting preflop planning to get it in vs. a 5b).
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Hero should never be isolating with pure garbage if V9 is normally this sticky to pots, they should isolate a wider range of value hands and dump all garbage.
meh that´s nonsense. if villain is a tag fish, which you assumed, he will play very honest on a 3bet. he calls with with his middle range (88,99,TT,JJ,ATs,AJs,AJo,AQo,AQs) and 4bet the prems. given by the fact that he will have also a folding range (22-77,A9s,KQo,KJs+,QJs,JTs) i´m sure heros 3bet is profit. I wouldn´t 3bet any2 in a full ring cash game but 20% of 3betting is definitely profit in this spot. in a tournament you don´t have the time to w8 for the hands. there are times you have to go for the spot. so any2 isn´t the problem here.

what could and should be discussed is the table image related to the table dynamics.

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IF the reads are that V9 is a tight player normally and Hero is a maniac, then it all looks pretty standard.
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I don't see anything wrong here except Ed's initial raise. I'd need a pretty solid read to raise T3o. Post flop there's no way villain can put you on a three, so all the chips are always going in, I think.
so what´s your plan to play a tag fish? the 3bet is immediate profit against that kind of players in position and your cards doesn´t matter here. sometimes you get called but even with any two you have against a fairly wide calling range very often 40% of equity so it works out well, especially when villain is dumb enough to stack you that light.

@ed nice hand

however i´m not sure if you did this for the right reasons and based on your last post i´m in doubt if you understood the tabledynamics properly.

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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:16 PM
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OK, Reveal time

I am the Villan

This hand is taken a little out on context here in isolation.

My read on EdinFreeman at the time was normally plays a pretty TAG game, but was definately opening up his game during the last hour with me and was competing postflop aggressively.

Had 3bet me preflop several times as he mentioned and also reraised my Cbets on flop and turn 3 times.

I decided not to 4bet preflop and was intending to reraise his cBet.

So we see the flop which is very good for my hand and EdinFreeman makes the cBet. Which is where the levelling steps up a gear. I told Ed he was going to get his own medicine (Boy was I wrong haha) and I reraised his cBet as intended. Ed then came back over the top. I think the style of the play between us, the fact it's the last hand, my comment making it sound like I was doing it as a positional play rather than based on my holdings, meant he could be 3betting a much lighter than usual here. So I said we can just get it in and moved in, folding would have been a bit anticlimactic for class

I think the hand may well have played out fairly similarly if Ed was holding T4 instead of T3.

Well played Ed. Good Fun

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