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QTs river decision on paired board and villains playing passive - Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:04 AM
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I started to play a lot more suited connectors/1 gappers in and out of position. I find it quite easy to make a lot of money when I hit my straight or flush as most of the 2NL players just looove to throw in 200 BB with TPTK

In this hand I just called my QhTh OOP as already 2 players entered the pot and we are playing for an effective stack of 250BB. I hit a decent flop. No high cards and I have a SD + backdoor FD + 2 overs (although not the best overs one can have). As I'm just on a draw I decided to check and see what happens. So the table goes check, check, check. Then the board paired which is a bad thing as a lot of pairs could be in their range so a draw to a FH is possible or even a made FH is possible when someone holds 99 or 44. So as I haven't improved I again decided to check. The tables goes check, check, check again and the turns brings us a J. Great I thought at first, but JJ could definitely also be in their range (on the flop). However I think JJ would have raised on the flop and definitely on the turn so I didn't think this would be the case. As nobody represented anything and there was a decent change that I have the best hand I decided to make a 2/3 pot bet and catch some value from my hand. Villain 4 calls and Villain 1 puts in a pot bet.

So what do we do? Are we always beat here and do we need to fold? Or is there any chance someone will do this kind of platy with QQ+ on this board and looking back and my actions on previous streets?
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 02:25 PM
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Hi Iggy,

I would be shocked to see him turn over JJ-AA the way the hand played, but not shocked to see him turn over many worse hands. No one has shown any strength the whole way, so he could make the mistake of raising with any J, or with an 8 he slowplayed the turn, thinking he's good. And a few silly bluffs, it is 2NL after all.

He can surely show us a full house too. But we only need to be right on a call 1/3rd of the time to break even, and given the unpredictable nature of 2nl randoms and the weakness shown through out, I think it's an easy call.

An interesting question is can we raise for value? With as much money behind as there is and no reads at all, I'll err on the side of caution and say no. If I thought the villain would call us with Jx+ and only shove with boats, I would raise to about $2 and feel comfortable folding to a shove. But readless we don't know and how the hand has played, he might shove 8x or T7 over us as well as boats, and I don't want to open myself up to that.


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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:09 AM
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Yeah I called his raise as I did think his actions were pretty weak and as most 2NL players won't slowplay a set (and definitely not a FH). However he ended up showing me pocket nines.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 01:32 PM
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Yep, slowplays flop cause he hits a set, slowplays turn cause he fills up. Brilliant at minimizing value. At least you got a good note out of it, will help a lot with future reads against this villain (when he plays fast it's probably not a monster).


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