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Showing losing cards at the showdown - Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:51 AM
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I play in a Hold em tourney once a week consisting of 12 to 18 players of mixed ability but no really good players. Usually if I lose on the showdown I will muck my cards and concede the pot. In the past this has never been a problem and no one has objected. Recently however one player is saying that the losing cards must be shown as it is "in the rules" as there are no tourney rules at the venue and I cannot find a definitive answer I have so far said I will not reveal my cards. Can anyone give a insight to what is the correct answer? Thanks billie
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:46 AM
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If you are the player that CALLED a bet on the river you do not have to show a losing hand. However, if you were the one betting and someone else called YOUR bet, you must show, and not only that you must turn your cards over FIRST. And the caller then has the option to reveal his hand or muck a loser. If there is no betting in the last round then generally the player closest to the dealers left still in the hand will reveal his hand and then each player clockwise from there either reveals or has the option to muck a worse hand.
HOWEVER....At showdown, any player delt into the hand can insist on seeing a losing hand. This is to prevent colluding among player (chip dumping and the like) it's considered bad etiquette live to insist on this unless colluding (cheating) is suspected. This is why you can look at the hand history (online) after a showdown and see all players cards that got to showdown.


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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:46 AM
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Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:15 AM
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Thank you both for your replies, not wishing to push my luck but if I am called but the opposing player shows his cards first can I still opt to muck? Thanks again billie
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:30 AM
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Thank you both for your replies, not wishing to push my luck but if I am called but the opposing player shows his cards first can I still opt to muck? Thanks again billie
As has been mentioned, the other person can see your cards anyway if they replay the hand so I wouldn't feel too bad about mucking.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:56 AM
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Thanks once again guys
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:23 PM
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Thank you both for your replies, not wishing to push my luck but if I am called but the opposing player shows his cards first can I still opt to muck? Thanks again billie
To me, it's just an ethical thing. If you're called, just flip your cards over. Don't stall and posture hoping your opponent doesn't know any better and flips first, in hopes that you dont have to show a loser.just do the right thing basically. It's good for the game.
Good luck out there. MT


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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:23 PM
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Thank you both for your replies, not wishing to push my luck but if I am called but the opposing player shows his cards first can I still opt to muck? Thanks again billie
I believe the answer is NO. You opponent has paid to see your cards, and if your playing a draw or total air it is their right to see.

Grade b

ps i'm sure this came up in a big life tourny a few years ago may try to look for it.

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