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10NL 6 Max Ugly Flop Fierce Check/Raise - Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:16 AM
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Villain is 10/7, AF:1/5 over 41 hands, 3bet: 5.9%(16)



We flop TPTK but on an ugly flop. Got a check/raise by tight Villain. He seems to be very strong here. Hardly see this line on a monoflop. I feel that most TPTK and sets will bet here for protection. It could be a FD as well. Need help with ranging here.

OTT he checks. I took the risky action of going all-in. Didn't want to give diamond another free card. Bet-folding seems applicable if stacks were deeper because he means strength if he c/r twice.

But we have <pot size stack left. Are we value-owning ourselves by shipping? What should be the optimal action OTF and OTT?

Pls advise. Thanks a lot!!
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:21 AM
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I'd fold on the flop, it's kind of tight but when he check raises on a monotone flop I expect him to have TPTK crushed. Any worse hand, mainly worse kings and big pocket pairs, would bet this flop for value and protection. I expect him to have at least AdAx (perhaps AdKx although I think he'd bet this) here although it's more likely he'll show up with a set or flopped flush.

Why don't you like checking back the flop? It's tough to get called by anything worse when you shove and if a 4th diamond rolls off it's either going to slow him down or allow you to make an easy fold. Sometimes we need protection but there's no value to be gained so as played I'dcheck back the turn and either fold or check back the river.


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Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:17 PM
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Hi TANW,

I think checking back the flop rather than betting is preferable... the opponent although a very limited read so far has been nitty, I can't imagine getting called by QQ/JJ here. If he had a diamond draw I'd expect him to c-bet a fair bit. He's either giving up, or check/raising with a monster much of the time I think.

When we get check-raised I too would let it go. Really strange line unless he's super strong. I wouldn't be surprised to see AdKx or AdAx in this spot.

As played I would check back the turn and see what happens on the river. and I'm not planning to call if he bombs it.


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Tue Mar 12, 2013, 12:00 AM
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Thanks Oliver and Dave! I'm still not clear about checking back the flop. True that he should be betting his FD. But if we give a free card and a 4th diamond does come out, wouldn't our presumed best hand be placed in a tough spot OTT? I feel that we should charge any worse cards like QdQx or JdJx which may peel once. He may also be checking those 2 hands allowing us to bet our missed range?

Yup I agree the Turn is a check back. As played, I went all in and he called with AdQh. Think that it's still bad play on my side.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:39 AM
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Why are you betting, is it for value or as a bluff?

Clearly not a bluff obv, since better hands won't fold.

Is it a good value bet? What worse hands will call? Flush draws, but we agree he'd likely c-bet those and he didn't bet. So no in general I don't think it's hard to play the turn if a 4th flush card comes... if he bets, I'll find it fairly easy to fold, and if he checks, we should be good and can just show it down.


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