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NL50 - x/r a notorius floater - Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
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the hand was played against a mediocre lowstakes regular. villain is 24/17 with a fold to cbet of 47% only. have seen him folding to a seccond barrell on rare ocassions only. i think he´s raising his two pairs, sets and combo draws on flop anyway. combo draws in his range are rare as i block a lot. Jx/Tx are bet folding the turn most of the time i think. a second barrel seems pointless here so i think x/r is best line for max ev. i decided to bet slightly bigger because it was the first time i played back on the notorius floater and i get better odds on a shove this way. if i get called i shove to any A,K,Q,9, any heart and any spade on river obv. any thoughts?

Stacks:
UTG 99bb
Hero(CO) 135bb
BTN 100bb
SB 100bb
BB 34bb

Pre-Flop: (1.5bb, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero raises to 3bb, BTN calls 3bb, 2 folds

Flop: (7.5bb, 2 players)
Hero bets 5,75bb, BTN calls 5.75bb

Turn: (19bb, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 12bb, Hero raises to 41.25bb,...
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:14 PM
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Hi Duck,


I like this line. I would never be doing this against micro-stakes players but against a 50NL reg who likes to float, this is a very strong semi-bluffing line. Incidentally, with history this type of semi-bluff should carry great weight as I think we should be taking a similar line with our overpairs and stronger hands, particularly AA/KK, against a notorious floater to exploit them floating too much.

I think the sizing is too big though, as we want to set up a river shove he can fold a 1 pair hand to. If he calls this action the pot will have ~100 in it and we'll have 50 behind so he's going to look us up more often for 50 into 150 imo.

The hands he calls the turn check raise with are probably heavy in draws, as I'd expect him to put us in directly on the turn with 2 pair+, and simply fold bluffs and 1 pair hands that don't have a lot of outs. So we will be getting called by stuff like KQ, Q9, Ts9s/Ts8s, maybe some worse spade draws, QhJh, Jh9h, KhJh, maybe some worse back door heart draws.

If we check-raise to about 32bb and he calls, the pot will be 83 and we'll have ~60 left to shove the river which makes it much harder for him to call us with all of the above that busts improving and ends up as just 1 pair.

I also don't really agree on your river shove cards, imo I would generally give up on cards that improve a bunch of his turn call holdings, namely the K, Q, or 9 non-spades. I would shove cards that improve us obv, and blanks that don't improve his turn calling range, 3's-7's. A ten, jack, and hearts are grey areas as sometimes those improve him to a calling hand and sometimes they don't, but with a huge pot out there to win I'd be inclined to risk it on most of those cards and shove as well.


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Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
I like this line. I would never be doing this against micro-stakes players but against a 50NL reg who likes to float, this is a very strong semi-bluffing line. Incidentally, with history this type of semi-bluff should carry great weight as I think we should be taking a similar line with our overpairs and stronger hands, particularly AA/KK, against a notorious floater to exploit them floating too much.
don´t have done that for a long time. jup i play TT+ the same way here. yes it not really balanced but i´m doing that not that often and only to exploit most of the time so balancing shouldn´t be an issue.

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I think the sizing is too big though, as we want to set up a river shove he can fold a 1 pair hand to. If he calls this action the pot will have ~100 in it and we'll have 50 behind so he's going to look us up more often for 50 into 150 imo.
as said first time i was doing this to him. his calling range is hitting nicely but not that strong and i think that a bigger bet size has the benefit of getting some of his hands to fold which have good equtiy, means i force him into errors as his b/f-range should contain mostly hands which have me beat. this way i also compensate the positional disadvantage a bit. i hope also for a better payout. as you said he´s committed in case of a call and A2s should be very unlikely in my percieved range. if i would know him better it should be an option for sure i think. the point is it´s close to become profit and it has no real future ev as i don´t expect him to change his behavior and i can make this move only on a rare frequency.

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The hands he calls the turn check raise with are probably heavy in draws, as I'd expect him to put us in directly on the turn with 2 pair+, and simply fold bluffs and 1 pair hands that don't have a lot of outs. So we will be getting called by stuff like KQ, Q9, Ts9s/Ts8s, maybe some worse spade draws, QhJh, Jh9h, KhJh, maybe some worse back door heart draws.

If we check-raise to about 32bb and he calls, the pot will be 83 and we'll have ~60 left to shove the river which makes it much harder for him to call us with all of the above that busts improving and ends up as just 1 pair.
have thought through that too, that´s why i posted the hand, but i weighted it different to you ingame.

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I also don't really agree on your river shove cards, imo I would generally give up on cards that improve a bunch of his turn call holdings, namely the K, Q, or 9 non-spades. I would shove cards that improve us obv, and blanks that don't improve his turn calling range, 3's-7's. A ten, jack, and hearts are grey areas as sometimes those improve him to a calling hand and sometimes they don't, but with a huge pot out there to win I'd be inclined to risk it on most of those cards and shove as well.
ingame i thought it´s only his top range drawing to a straight which could be hitting me that way and in that case i know he has another huge leak too as drawing to a straight on a that coordinated board texture isn´t a sign for a deeper knowledge of the game too. but yes K,Q is a valid point a lot of times. A,J,T,9,heart,spade... thx a lot!
 

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