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Bankroll Builder - Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:07 AM
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Hi. I want to participate in the Bankroll Builder Promotion!
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:17 AM
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Hi. I want to participate in the Bankroll Builder Promotion!
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

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Fri Mar 29, 2013, 08:30 AM
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Hi. I want to participate in the Bankroll Builder Promotion!
Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

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bankroll builder played hand - Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:00 AM
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Thank you. I watched videos and passed the the test. this is 2 hand i played. on first hand had fullhouse on flop decided to slow play and min more. and in second hand, i had the second pair on flop and decded to raise in order to protect my hand from flush draw. although my opp didn't made his flush, but he made bigger pair on river. did I play right?


 
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Fri Mar 29, 2013, 07:53 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Fri Mar 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
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Hi aminv!

With A6s from the button, I can either call behind and see the flop in position or I could also make a standard 3-bet (raise to between 3X the previous bet and a pot-sized raise).

I flop the low end of a full house and see a min bet and two calls. I'm going to make a raise here, as I want to build the pot and also to be sure than anyone that has a draw to beat me does not get the correct odds to do so. I'll raise to 360, a pot-sized raise (the same raise I'd make with Ax or 6x, especially if the Ax was spades).

The opps then start a raising war and after the pot-size bet and a raise by the opp, my next move when it gets back to me is to shove. If they're going to stay, I want all of their chips in the pot now.

It worked out, but with the small bets to start with on the flop, the opp with 77 would have been priced in if there was not a larger raise in front of them.
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With J7s from UTG, this is an instant fold for me. Since I'm out of position, I only want to be playing premium hands, not something that is speculative-at-best. The positional disadvantage that I have by being out of position is too great.

I also do not want to be open-limping from early position. That is an exploitable tell that I have a weak hand. If I have a hand that I'm not willing to make a standard opening raise with (3BB+1BB for each limper), then the hand isn't strong enough to be playing and I need to muck.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 03:03 AM
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Great! thanks for your analyze.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:41 AM
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Great! thanks for your analyze.
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:01 PM
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why a player may want to make a big bet?
- to put a lot of pressure on opps
- to bluff people off decent hands
- to gain value from very strong hand
- to protect against strong draws
i watched the video but haven't passed the quiz yet and i'll inform you as soon as i do.

these are 2 hand that i think i had to play better although i won.



 
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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:22 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:19 PM
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Hi aminv! I'll take a look at these hands and see if I can give you advice on how to improve your play.

1. This first hand is really interesting. With AQ in MP, you make a standard raise and pick up 2 callers. You get a massive flop; top trips, top kicker. I don't often slowplay, but I think this is one spot where checking can get you more value on later streets. Since you can account for 3 queens, and the only other board card is a 4, which no one is likely to have (A4s and 44 are the only 4x hands a regular play would touch) it's pretty likely that no one has anything that could call a bet here. When I'm considering making a value bet, I ask myself if I'm likely to be called by worse. If the answer is no, I won't make the bet. Somewhat surprisingly, the button bets out for half pot and the small blind calls. They can't both have a queen as there's only one missing in action, but it would seem that one of these guys also has trips. The other might have 44 (which is actually beating you right now) or he might have ben taking a stab at an orphan pot in position, possibly with a hand like 99, or complete air. I like your flat call, as it means villains might keep betting on later streets, building a big pot for when you have the best hand. A king on the turn is not so great for you, because KQ is a popular hand. If the button has that, you're now drawing thin, with just 3 outs (aces). You wisely check to see if he bets again, but he checks behind. It seems that he was bluffing on the flop after all, or maybe he has a queen and a really bad kicker, and he's very worried he would get check-raised by the BB or you. So you see the river for free.
The Queen of Hearts is a beautiful card at any time, but here it's simply perfect.
You just made quads, so can't be beat. This river not only made a flush possible (which you crush), it also means anyone with a pocket pair, a 4, or a king in their hand now has a full house. Villains at most stakes have trouble folding boats. There's even a famous poker theorem, Zeebo's theorem: "No one folds a full house". You can use this theorem to your advantage in this spot. If any villain has a full house here, he will give you his stack, because he won't think you have quads because of the lack of action on earlier streets.
Villain 2 shoves all in. Now obviously you're at least calling with the nuts, but I think I'd go for a small raise. There's a small chance that the button also has a boat, and I want to get maximum value from it. As played you call, and the button folded, so his flop bet must have been a total bluff. The SB shows pocket 4s, and this is really interesting. He's still losing to any king or higher pocket pair. He had the small full (fours over queens) on the flop and slowplayed it, just check-calling, when he should have been check-raising. He was beating you all the way to the river. So his slowplay killed his value. If he'd raised the flop, you were always calling with top trips, and he'd be getting his money in as a big favourite. By slowplaying, he allowed you to draw out cheaply. This is why slowplaying is not recommended. With vulnerable hands (sets, two pairs, trips, small boats), it's usually a much better idea to play them fast, getting your chips in when you're ahead, not waiting till the river and getting them in dead.
So you were very lucky here, and won a nice pot, but I hope you also learned that slowplaying can get you into trouble.

2. Another interesting hand! With 33 in middle/late position, I'd like to see a cheap flop and go set-mining. I'd be happy to call a 3bb raise, but there's a limp here. Limping along is OK, as it might inspire other players to over-limp, thus making the pot a little more juicy. If you get raised to 8c or more, it's probably best to fold for a minimal loss.
The flop is 732, so you hit your set. One villain bets 4c into 12c, and you raise it up to 12c. This is a good sizing. It's not so big to make villain fold, but big enough to get some value for your big hand. Villain 8 cold calls and you see a turn.
The deuce gives you a boat. At this point, I'm trying to work out how I can get my whole stack in the middle without overbetting. You and villain are both deep. The pot is 37c and you have $1.96 behind. To get the rest of that in the middle, you need to make BIG bets, like in the tutorial video. A 12c bet won't do it. Make it at close to pot-sized; at least 30c. Luckily for you, villain makes a big raise to 64c. There's a very small chance he's doing this with 77 or 22, but most of the time, I'd put him on an overpair or the nut flush draw with AhKh. Since he apparently wants to play a big pot, it's time to give him that action. A minraise would be to about $1.15, but when he called that, there would be a huge pot, and you'd have less than 50c remaining. So my play here is to ship all in on the turn. If villain has an overpair, he's committed to calling off his stack. There's no point in flat-calling the raise, like you did, as you're not folding on the river. When the pot is big, and remaining stacks not so big, and you have a monster hand, it's time to jam it all in. Similarly, on the river, the pot is $1.65. Why are you only betting 30c? You can't be contemplating folding to a raise ("No one folds a boat"). With less than a pot-sized bet left in your stack, this is a very easy shove for value. Villain will be calling almost always, and usually with much worse than a full house.

Hopefully you learned a few useful things (especially "don't slowplay without good reason" and "Bet BIG with your monsters") from this analysis.

Cheers,
Arty


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Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:38 AM
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thanks. i agree. i will remember not to slowplay.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:31 AM
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i watched the video but haven't passed the quiz yet and i'll inform you as soon as i do.
Yes please, let us know as soon as you have passed the Cash Game quiz and I'll get your next bonus to you

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Mon Apr 01, 2013, 03:13 PM
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I have passed the cash game quiz.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 07:10 AM
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I have passed the cash game quiz.
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 07:10 AM
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I have passed the cash game quiz.
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013, 12:40 PM
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Hey. I think finally i played a hand good. Am I right?
i decided to slow play my set and checked. i thought i can get more by this plan.
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013, 12:45 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Wed Apr 03, 2013, 05:02 PM
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Hi again aminv!

This 44 hand is actually quite standard. You didn't really slow play as such. When you flop a set and you're out of position (e.g. in the blinds) then checking to the pre-flop raiser is the right play. When he makes a c-bet and there's a call, you definitely want to raise for big fat value, as at least one of these players is likely to call. Ideally, you'll get all in on the flop, and that's exactly what happens here. The original raiser/c-bettor shoves with his top pair, the caller calls all in, and you also call, for a very easy win. These guys would never have folded their hands if you had slowplayed and just called on the flop, because AT would still have TPTK and QQ would still be an overpair on the turn.
But I definitely recommend check-raising in this spot. When there's a bunch of action on the flop and you have a set, you're basically printing money. Keep raising until you've got all your chips in the middle.

Nice hand, well played.

Cheers,
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Wed Apr 03, 2013, 07:09 PM
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Hello,

Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target.

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