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2N Ring Game - QQ play on AQ4 flop - Mon Apr 01, 2013, 06:19 PM
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Newbie in the game, only recently started playing cash games after spending a month in freeroll tourneys

This is a typcial hand I've lost plenty of times with. Pocket queens with a flop that gives me the set, but also an overcard.

Villain is mostly unknown. Play in hands before appeared aggresive but not overly loose.

But how do you know when to hold on to QQ and when to fold? Should or could I have played this hand differently? The size of his raise post-flop threw me a bit.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2013, 06:40 PM
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It looks good to me.

It is very dependent on the type of player Villain 5 is If this is the first hand he has rerasised in the last few hours then yes we need to be wary of AA, But against the average Joe in the 1/2 cent game the range of hands he could hold ie AA-TT or AK-AJs mean that if they want to get it all in Here I'm more than happy to get all the money in the middle.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013, 07:14 PM
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This is a spot that relies heavily on stats/reads, but you have to make your decision pre-flop.
You raised UTG, repping a very strong range, like TT+ AK, AQs. There's a call, which is fine. You're way ahead of a caller's range. The button makes a solid 3-bet.
If this villain was a solid positionally-aware full ring player (there aren't many at 2NL), he should only be 3-betting with QQ+ here, but there are a lot of 2NL players that automatically 3-bet AK every time they have it, and it makes my eyes bleed when they show up with AK in this spot. (They should be flat-calling 100% of the time, because 3-betting folds out all the hands AK was beating). If villain is nitty, then the correct play is to fold, as you're crushed by KK+. If he's looser or auto 3-bets AK, then I prefer a 4-bet. You're out of position and need to regain the initiative. It's also good if villain folds and you collect all that dead money. Once you've 4-bet, you're committed to stacking off either pre-flop, or on the flop. (If you make a set or an overpair, you have to get it in, because of the stack to pot ratio).

The funny thing is that when you flat call the 3-bet, your hand is face up. You have JJ or QQ every time. With those hands, players always seem to think "It's too good to fold, is crushed by KK+, but might be good vs AK, so I think I'll call". Calling just gets you into trouble on the flop, as you still haven't narrowed villain's range.
Here you called and flopped a set. I'm always getting my money in there. Villain will show up with aces sometimes, but most of the time you're crushing AK and getting maximum value from it.


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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:03 AM
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Thank you for the comments.
Rewatching the hand a few times before I posted it here, I already felt just calling the re-raise pre-flop was a mistake. Either accept that Villain5 has a stronger hand and fold, or continue the agression and 4-bet and commit to the pot. The way I played it shows exactly how I felt, having been beat by it too many times in freerolls: uncertain.

What do you make of the size of his raise post-flop? Can anything be read from that?
Up to then, play on the table was mostly standard betting 3 to 4 BB
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 09:04 AM
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Villain's sizing pre-flop and post-flop bets are fairly standard for a reg at these stakes, although they are on the large size.
Pre-flop, a normal 3-bet in position would be 3x the original raise (to make it 18c), but since there was a caller, a 4x size (24c) is OK.
On the flop, you bet 24c into 75c to make the pot 99c. Villain raised to $1.14 and I presume he used a hotkey for 3/4 pot to come up with this amount. It's a committing bet, and it appears he's doing this for value, expecting you to call with worse (though you never call with worse than AK here!), but he could have induced you to shove by making it 65 or 70c, as you were shorter stacked than him. If you'd been equally deep, then I'd prefer him to raise to 90c (one third of his stack), leaving $1.80 behind (the other two thirds) for shoving the turn.


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Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:01 AM.. Reason: typo corrections
 

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