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Bankroll Builder - Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:17 AM
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Can i be in bankroll builder promotion? i haven't made any deposit yet, but i have little ammount money from freeroll turnament & open league leaderboard.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 08:43 AM
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Can i be in bankroll builder promotion? i haven't made any deposit yet, but i have little ammount money from freeroll turnament & open league leaderboard.
Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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my stupid bluffing theory :D - Tue Apr 02, 2013, 12:45 PM
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in this hand here, i try to do some bluff by acting like i have the top pair (KK)
at the flop, he just check, so i'm guessing he have pair Q or 7 or just waiting the turn to improve his hand.
on the turn (5d) other player check, so i raise pot size & he call (i guess he really have that pair 7 or Q).
on the river (Jd) he checks again (if he really have pair Q, i think he sould raise here), so i raise again at pot size (assuming that he only have pair 7 & wouldn't risk his chip calling a hand that better than pair J).
he fold this time

i passed the poker basic quiz before i make this bankroll builder thread.
so.. am i qualified for my 1'st bonus?
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 01:46 PM
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Hello,

Could you please post some play money full ring (9-Handed) hands.

We want to see how you are playing on a FULL table and it's hard to do this when there is only 2 in the hand.

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ASAP sir :D - Tue Apr 02, 2013, 03:11 PM
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when i bet 20 at the flop [Ad 5d 5s] & villain raise to 40, i'm guessing that he have A or 5
on the turn [8h], when he raise to the size of the pot, i'm pretty sure he really have A
so i fold.
am i doing right, or should i re raise?
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 03:30 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 03:43 PM
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Hi kozong!

The first tip that I would have for you is that when you first sit at a ring game to always wait for the BB to start playing. Paying extra blinds over and over will be a very large drain to a player's bankroll.

With 66, since there is a previous limp in front of me, I'll limp behind here and try to setmine. If the first opp folded, then if I wanted to play it, I would need to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper.

The flop brings an ace and a lower pair, which with this many opps in the pot is probaly BIG trouble. When it checks to me, since due to the large number of opps that are in the pot, I'd need to make a pot-sized bet of 42, I'll check behind and hope to see a free turn card. Since some players like seeing flops with any ace, I'm most likely beat here and want to use some pot control. If any of the opps behind me bets, I'm folding, as I'm most likely beat and will save my chips for a better situation, hopefully when I'm IN position instead of out of position.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 04:30 PM
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Hello,

Please let me know when you pass the Poker Basic course

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Tue Apr 02, 2013, 04:59 PM
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i allready passed the basic course before even started this thread
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2013, 08:01 PM
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i allready passed the basic course before even started this thread
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 01:28 AM
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on the turn, i try to mix my play by checking. should i just raise half pot?

on the river i raise small. or should i raise big/all in?
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 04:46 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 01:10 PM
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Hi Kozong! I'll take a look at this T9 hand for you.

Firstly, it looks like you posted your blind before the cards were dealt. Don't do this. Since you'll only get a playable hand about 20% of the time, you'll be throwing away 2c four times out of ten. Always check the "Wait for big blind before posting" box.
You flop top two on a T95, and I definitely like raising when there are some minbets in front of you. Your hand is strong, and villains can definitely call with worse, with one pair, or draws like QJ or even just two overs and a gutshot with KQ.
Since the pot is multiway, it's more likely that you will get a call, because someone is bound to have something. There's 18c in the pot when the action reaches you. I'd bet close to pot, so something like 15c.
On the turn, you make a full house, and this is a spot where many beginners would slowplay. Generally speaking, slowplaying is not a good idea at nanostakes, because there is more value to be gained by betting. (Villains will call with much worse than your hand). Just about any hand that called on the flop will still call on the turn. If villain had a 9, then he made trips, and you can win a big pot. Also bear in mind that if villain has a straight draw, he will call a bet on the turn, but if he doesn't make the straight on the river, then he's not calling a bet of 2c, let alone a shove. So get your value NOW, before villain folds hands like QJ. So I'd continue betting here, putting about 28c into 37c.
The river is kind of a good card for you, as loose villains often call on the flop with just ace high. You made a bet of 15c into 37c, which is certainly likely to be called by one pair hands, but when I have a monster hand like a full house, I'm usually betting a bit more, knowing I'm almost certainly winning, and expecting to get called by worse.
By the way, you didn't "raise" the river, you made a bet. A "raise" occurs when someone bets, and another player increases the bet size, by raising it. Going all in would not be good here, because it would be an overbet, so wouldn't be called. If a flush/straight had completed (e.g. the king of spades), then you could try a larger bet, as villain would call with QJ or the nut flush and still lose.

You won a decent pot here, but I think you left value on the table. The main things to learn here are:
* Don't post your blinds out of turn.
* When you have a big hand in a multiway pot, make bets of close to pot-sized, as you're more likely to get called when multiple players are in the pot.
* Don't slowplay a monster when villain could be on a draw. Get your value while he's drawing, as he won't give you a cent if the draw misses on the river.
* If you think villain may have improved his hand when a particular card hits the board, but you're confident that you have the best hand, make a BIG bet, of close to pot, so you get maximum value.

Hope this advice helps. Good luck with the next stage of this promo!

Cheers,
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3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet - Fri Apr 05, 2013, 05:18 AM
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1. To protect against strong draw
2. To put a lot of pressure to opponents
3. To gain value from very strong hands
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 05:31 AM
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1. To protect against strong draw
2. To put a lot of pressure to opponents
3. To gain value from very strong hands
Brilliant,

Let me know as soon as you have passed the Cash Game course and I'll get your next bonus to you

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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 09:31 AM
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i just passed the cash game course
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 11:16 AM
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i just passed the cash game course
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 03:30 PM
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bad beat isn't it?
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 07:50 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.

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Fri Apr 05, 2013, 09:00 PM
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Hi Kozong! This looks like a bad beat for sure, but it's quite an interesting hand.

You're in the small blind, and there's a standard raise to 6c and a min-3-bet to 10c. Reads/notes on players would be useful here. If the 3-bettor has not been raising often, this minraise is often a tell that he has a monster (KK/AA, basically) in which case I'd strongly consider folding pre-flop. (Believe it or not, it's OK to fold AK pre-flop sometimes). If villain is more aggressive and has been raising more often, I actually prefer to make a squeeze play here, by raising again, to something like 25c. The main reasons I'd do this is because:
1. It makes our hand look very strong, so if the first raiser has a hand as strong as QQ he may fold it, especially because there will still be another player (the original 3-bettor) to act. It's brilliant if we can collect all the money pre-flop when we just have ace high.
2. We are out of position in the blinds. We don't want to play a flop in a big pot, out of position without the betting lead, as it's simply not a profitable plan.

So for me, it's re-raise or fold. If I reraise, I might just ship it all in, to maximise "fold equity" and collect the 19c that's already in the middle. Even if we're called by a hand like QQ, we're racing with a decent overlay of dead money.
As played, calling is the worst option, but you get a good flop, top 2 pairs. Since there's now 32c in the middle and stacks are relatively short, you're absolutely committed to stacking off. When villain bets, just go all in. He only has 42c left in his stack, so he's calling it off. If he has AQ, you're winning a big pot. Minraising to 60c forces him to ship it, but it's better to go all in yourself.
It would completely suck if villain has AA/KK/QQ, but you're never folding here.
It's amazing that villain actually shows up with A8s. If he's 3-betting that hand, then a 4-bet for value pre-flop would have been great, as you had him dominated.
The way the board runs out with a runner-runner flush is just sick. Just be pleased you got your money in as a huge favourite. Villain is only going to suck out and win 5% of the time here. This was just brutal.

A mod will be along soon to tell you how to proceed. Let's hope you're luckier in the next batch of hands!
Cheers,
Arty


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