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2NL FR ZOOM - AK vs Short Stack 3Bet Shove - Thu Apr 04, 2013, 12:33 AM
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This guy was an unknown w/ a random stack. I couldn't say if he was a weak player or not but him being so short stacked I felt confident I was ahead of most of his shoving range.

I didn't think he had AA/KK here much of the times he does this so vs pocket pairs I should be doing OK in the long run. I decide to call since I'm pretty deep and losing a coin flip vs 75BB isn't the end of the world.

I don't know much about the complicated math with shoving ranges vs stacks and what not so I have to ask if I'm getting good EV here if he had say 150BB/200BB next time I run into a similar situation vs him, would it be profitable to call?

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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 08:14 AM
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To calculate whether you should call or not you have to use the pot odds you are getting to calculate the equity you need to call. Then you have to compare this to the equity you have against their range if you have the equity needed then it's a break even call and if you have more equity than required then it's a +EV call.

So first we compare the size of the pot with the size of the bet we must call, this is a reward to risk ratio. (pot odds)

In your hand you have to call $1.37 to win $2.93 (the pot size plus our call= $1.56 + 1.37). So compare the reward to risk...

$1.37/$2.93=0.468 Or 47%. So we have to have 47% against his range to call.

Now the next step is to compare our equity against the villains range. I have no experience at the FR 2nl talbles but from my experince at the 2nl 6M tables I think the villains range can be as wide as 66 and AJs... 66+,AJs+,AQo+

Using pokerstove we can calculate our equity against that range.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
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Hand 1: 48.610% 42.00% 06.60% 51786232 8142976.00 { AcKd }

As you can see we have 48.61% equity so imo this is a +EV call.

Hope that helps

Oli


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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 11:25 AM
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Hi Low Rated,

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I couldn't say if he was a weak player or not
I can.... he's a weak player.


At least, I have yet to see a strong player who sits with an odd stack like 72bb's, and shoves them all over a 4x open preflop.

I would always call off here with AK. Like you, I'm not sure he would do this with AA/KK, and I expect to see a lot of small and middling pairs here as well as big aces (AJs+, AQo+) and some % of weaker hands he's spazzing out with like A7s. AK plays well against this range.

If the effective stacks where 200 bb's it's fine to fold vs. a total unknown but I don't think you need to worry about it tbh, you'll generally only see this overbet shoving for the 3rd bet by shorter stacks, not super deep ones.


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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 12:30 PM
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from tha man himself, Frosty012...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGhye...ature=youtu.be
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 01:50 PM
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So first we compare the size of the pot with the size of the bet we must call, this is a reward to risk ratio. (pot odds)

In your hand you have to call $1.37 to win $2.93 (the pot size plus our call= $1.56 + 1.37). So compare the reward to risk...

$1.37/$2.93=0.468 Or 47%. So we have to have 47% against his range to call.
Thanks for that . It seemed complicated but that's actually pretty simple. I only just noticed the odds calculator tool lol...

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I can.... he's a weak player.
LOL. Well I think its safe to assume so .

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from tha man himself, Frosty012...
This video is really good! AK can be a hard hand to play and this give some awesome insight, thanks .

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